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Weekly Round-Up: November 16th - November 22nd

2020.11.22 18:45 llaverna Weekly Round-Up: November 16th - November 22nd

Weekly Round-Up: November 16th - November 22nd
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'BE' Compilation Gigathread

  • All BE comeback megathreads and compilations are here!

New Releases

Date Link Thread
201120 'BE' Album
201120 BTS (방탄소년단) 'Life Goes On' Official MV Thread
201122 BTS (방탄소년단) ‘Life Goes On’ Official MV : on my pillow Thread

News & Information

Date Thread
201116 TBS (Japan) exclusive interview with BTS will be broadcast on Dec 7
201115 BTS wins multiple awards at People Choice Awards
201116 Big Hit Announces Provisional Results for Third Quarter, with Quarterly Sales of 190 Billion Won
201116 BTS Won 2020 People's Choice Award For 'The Group', 'The Song=Dynamite', 'The Album=Map Of The Soul:7' And 'The Music Video=Dynamite'
201116 ARMY Bomb Ver.3 and 'Map of the Soul Special Edition' can now connect to "moonchild" lyric video on Weverse
201118 Song credits for “BE”
201118 [Official] Big Hit Entertainment announces that they will acquire KOZ Entertainment, a hip-hop and R&B label founded by Zico.
201118 BTS on Good Morning America with a very special performance on MONDAY
201118 Jungkook voted Sexiest International Man on People's Sexiest Man Alive 2020: Reader's Choice Poll
201119 Update: 2020 APAN Music Awards Announces This Year’s Nominees + To Be Postponed
201120 Big Hit Entertainment's press release with details about 'BE'
201120 BTS’ Spotify playlists have been updated
201120 BTS 'Dynamite' received its 24th win on today's Music Bank
201121 'Life Goes On' (ARMY ver.) MV Post a clip of you expressing #LifeGoesOn in your own way. On December 30, ARMY ver. MV will be revealed
201121 BTS - Melon Music Awards Nominations
201120 BTS nominated for 'Artist of the Year' at Inaugural Gold Derby Music Awards 2021
201121 BTS will be performing at the Nippon TV Music Festival as part of the "41 Best Artists of 2020" . Nov 25 (Wed, 7:00 pm KST to 10:54 pm.
201121 BTS to go on Most Request Live in December - submit questions for ‘Ask Anything Chat’ iheartradio

Official merchandise

Date Thread
201118 BTS POP-UP : MAP OF THE SOUL 'LOGO' Style Film
201119 BTS POP-UP : MAP OF THE SOUL Online Store JAPAN Merch
201120 [Event] BTS ‘BE(Deluxe Edition)’ Download Event
201120 [Event] BTS ‘BE(Deluxe Edition)’ Lucky Event
201120 ‘BE’ Merch
201120 'BE' album merchandise will be available to preorder on Weverse Shop Global and USA from November 23, 11AM KST / November 22, 6PM PST

Expired news

Date Thread
201116 "BE" Album Comeback 'Live Go On' will be on vLIVE 201120 - 5PM KST
201116 The preorders for the mp3 of Life Goes On have started on the BTS US store
201117 BTS to host BE global press conference 11/20 @ 11AM KST (closed to public, though some reporters plan to live tweet)
201119 'Life Goes On' MV Countdown @ 11:30 PM EST (BTS_official)

Official Media

Type Date Link Thread
Episode 201122 [EPISODE] BTS (방탄소년단) ‘BE’ Jacket Shooting Sketch Thread
Live 201120 BTS 'Live Goes On' Vlive Thread
Live 201121 SUGA VLIVE Thread
Magazine 201116 Weverse Magazine - BTS and the Grammys: Why now? Thread
Photos 201116 [BTS on Naver] How can I not love BTS in 2021 too.. I don’t know.. Thread
Photos 201118 Life Goes On MV Behind The Scene
Photos 201121 BTS 'BE' Concept Photo Sketch Thread
Run BTS! 201117 Run BTS! - Ep. 116 Thread
Run BTS! 201119 [Behind] Run BTS! - EP.116 (ENG/JPN/CHN SUB) Thread
Teaser 201118 BTS (방탄소년단) 'Life Goes On' Official Teaser 1 Thread
Teaser 201119 BTS (방탄소년단) 'Life Goes On' Official Teaser 2 Thread
Video 201117 BTS (방탄소년단) Sing 'Dynamite' with me (feat. Big Hit Labels) Thread
Video 201120 BTS (방탄소년단) 'BE' Comeback Countdown Thread
Other 201116 Learn! KOREAN with BTS: [BonBORAge] Let's go with Bora! (Prologue 2) Thread

Official SNS

Date SNS Link Thread
201116 Twitter Namjoon Thread
201116 Twitter Taehyung Thread
201116 Weverse j-hope Thread
201117 Twitter Bangtan Thread
201118 Twitter SUGA Thread
201118 Weverse SUGA Thread
201118 Twitter j-hope Thread
201119 Weverse Namjoon Thread
201119 Twitter Taehyung Thread
201119 Weverse Namjoon Thread
201119 Weverse Compilation
201119 Weverse j-hope Thread
201120 Twitter Today's Bangtan @ 'BE' Press Conference Thread
201120 Weverse SUGA Thread
201120 Twitter Today’s Bangtan @ Comeback Live Thread
201120 Weverse Namjoon Thread
201120 Weverse Compilation
201120 Instagram Instagram filter for 'Life Goes On' Thread
201121 Instagram BTS Official Instagram Story Thread
201121 Twitter Bangtan Thread
201121 Giphy Giphy: 'Life Goes On' MV GIFs available on BTS official GIPHY channel Thread
201122 Instagram BTS Official Instagram Story Thread
201122 Instagram BTS Official Instagram Story II Thread
201122 TikTok Namjoon Thread
201122 Twitter Taehyung: 📸vcut Thread
201122 Twitter Taehyung: vcut📸 Thread
201122 Twitter Taehyung: 📸vcut🥸 Thread

CF & Partnerships

Date Thread
201117 IONIQ: I'm in charge (Full ver.)
201118 OHSCENT: BTS / OHSCENT 2nd MIC Drop Tangerine · Violet · Patchouli
201118 Samsung UK: Galaxy S20+ BTS Edition for £629 with 50% off BTS Galaxy Buds+

Articles

Date Publisher Article Thread
201116 Vice The Guide to Getting Into BTS, the Biggest Boy Band On Earth Thread
201116 Billboard Taraji P. Henson Talks Hosting the AMAs, Being Army & Meeting BTS: 'They Knew Who I Was!' Thread
201117 Rolling Stone India Masculinity Through The BTS Lens Thread
201117 Vulture 9 Engineers on the Hardest Song They Ever Mixed Thread
201117 Time A Comprehensive Look Back at BTS' Seven-Year Journey to the Top Thread
201118 Billboard “Here Are the 8 Likeliest Grammy Nominees in Each of the Big Four Categories” Thread
201118 The Guardian Map of the soul: how BTS rewrote the western pop rulebook Thread
201118 Time Inside the BTS ARMY, the Devoted Fandom With an Unrivaled Level of Organization Thread
201118 NPR ‘Hitman' Bang Si-hyuk, The Brand-New Billionaire Behind BTS Thread
201117 Teen Vogue Harry Styles, Beyoncé and BTS’s RM Named “Power Dressers” of 2020 by Lyst Thread
201119 USA TODAY MUSIC From best-selling albums to YouTube records: A look at K-pop group BTS' milestones so far Thread
201120 K-media Kmedia reports the Defense Committee of National Assembly approved a bill allowing distinguished pop culture artists like BTS to postpone military service. Thread
201120 NME BTS ‘BE’ review: a sensitive, stunning document of pandemic life - 4 / 5 stars Thread
201120 Time Breaking Down Every Track on BTS' New Album 'Be' Thread
201120 Insider "Every BTS Album Ranked" Thread
201121 LA Times "Review: On pandemic album 'BE,' BTS longs for better times, then dances through the tears" Thread

SNS Mentions

NOTE: Entries with 💜 have new content directly involving BTS
Date 💜 Link Thread
201115 NASA Jet Propulsion Lab official Instagram quoted Dynamite in new post about manned launch
201116 Jimmy Fallon tweets about BTS People's Choice Award win Thread
201117 HONNE: can't believe this was 4 years ago 😳 Thread
201118 Pdogg, Hissnoise, and Ghstloop went to the temple to pray for the success of “BE” Thread
201118 RM contributed vocals to John Eun’s new single ‘Hope’ Thread
201119 Rhythm Hive Coming Soon! Thread
201120 Alicia Keys Thread
201119 Tottenham Hotspur Thread
201118 MAX Thread
201120 💜 NIve with V Thread
201120 💜 American Music Awards: The look of seven @BTS_twt members that are excited for you to see their #AMAs performance. This Sunday at 8/7c on ABC! Thread
201121 💜 American Music Awards (AMAs): BTS promotion video clip Thread
201121 Oakland A's: #RootedinOakland x BTS Thread

Other media

NOTE: Entries with 💜 have new content directly involving BTS
Type 💜 Date Link Thread
Cover 201122 Acoustic Cover of Life Goes On Thread
Reaction 201120 Public Speaker Reacts To BTS Thread
Video 201116 Faker mentions how he got the offer to be on RUN BTS Thread
Video 💜 201118 🎬 Family Concert Special Clip! LEEHYUN&TOMORROWXTOGETHER&BTS Ver💕ㅣLOTTE Duty Free Family Concert Thread
Video 201119 Deconstructed: The Making Of BTS’ (방탄소년단) “Dynamite” With David Stewart Thread
Video 💜 201120 Entertainment Weekly: BTS A To Z Outtakes: Wrong Answers Only Thread
Video 💜 201122 NIve: [in the lab] BTS V brought NIve what for his studio?! Behind "Blue & Grey"! Thread
Other 201116 Actor Ryu Soo-young mentioned Jin on KBS Show that he is no match to Jin as his wife, actress Park Ha-seon is a big fan of his. Thread
Other 201119 KBS' Review for 'Life Goes On MV' "Emotionally releasing the feelings of regret and longing the BTS members have because they aren't able to meet fans." Thread
Other 201120 First Korean American woman in congress repping a BTS face mask!

Milestones

Type Date Thread
Charts/Sales 201116 BTS's 'Love Yourself: Answer' re-enters this week's 'Billboard 200' chart at No. 185
Charts/Sales 201116 "Dynamite" is #5 on the Global 200 and #4 Global Excl. U.S. charts
Charts/Sales 201116 'MAP OF THE SOUL: 7' returns to the top 100 on this week’s Billboard 200
Charts/Sales 201117 BTS’s "Dynamite" is the highest charting song by an all-Korean act in Pop Songs airplay chart history (new peak of #7)
Charts/Sales 201116 BTS, RM, Suga/Agust D, J-Hope to earn top 40 album on Billboard 200
Charts/Sales 201117 “Dynamite” is #17 on the Hot 100 for its 12th week
Charts/Sales 201117 'Map of the Soul: 7' is now certified Platinum in the US for selling 1 million units
Charts/Sales 201120 'Spring Day' Re-Enters MelOn top 50
Charts/Sales 201120 'The Most Beautiful Moment in Life: Young Forever' is now certified Silver in the UK for selling 60,000 units
Charts/Sales 201121 Life Goes On Debuts on #3 Global Spotify + Other Song Debuts Within Top 25
Charts/Sales 201122 BTS "Blue & Grey" Has Reached #1 On US iTunes, Becoming The Second Song From "BE" To Achieve This After "Life Goes On"
Likes 201116 DNA official MV hits 17M likes on YouTube (3rd MV to reach milestone)
Likes 201118 ‘Life Goes On Official Teaser 1' becomes the fastest MV teaser in YouTube history to achieve 1 million likes (36 minutes), surpassing 'Dynamite'.
Streams 201118 BTS has now surpassed 13 billion streams on Spotify (all credits)
Streams 201121 BTS Was The #1 Most Streamed Artist On Spotify Nov 20 With 62.1mil Streams And Now Also Has Overall Most Daily Streams For A Group
Streams 201122 Agust D’s (SUGA) 'D-2' has now surpassed 200 Million streams on Spotify
Views 201117 "Dynamite" has now surpassed 600 million views on YouTube
Views 201119 "Black Swan" has now surpassed 200 million views on YouTube
Views 201122 Life Goes On Has Reached 100M Views!
Other 201117 BTS' "Life Goes On" teaser is now the #1 trending video on YouTube US

TinyTAN

Date Thread
201118 TinyTAN: Cos ah ah I'm in the skates tonight So watch me bring my friends and set the stage alight
201118 Messenger: Which @TinyTANofficial character are you? Today we’re releasing the #TinyTANStickerPack, chat theme and 360 backgrounds.
201118 Facebook & Instagram: New TinyTAN chat themes

BT21

Date Link Thread
201119 BT21 Playlist - Study With Koya ASMR Thread

BT21 merchandise news

Date Thread
201117 Line Friends Store Twitter Update
201118 BT21 IG Update A Dream Of Baby Doll Series
201120 BT21 Twitter Update: Goodnight, sleepyheads. #BT21 'A Dream of Baby' THEME

Misc

Date Thread
201117 Review of the Beat Saber BTS Pack
201119 [Throwback] 4 years ago today, BTS won their first ever daesang for Album of the Year with ‘The Most Beautiful Moment in Life: Young Forever’ at the 8th MMA
201119 Translation and Korean vocab lesson with "So Far Away (ft. SURAN)" by Agust D
201119 BTS' 'BE' is headed for #1 album debut in the US. Initial forecast is 300K+ first week units (via @HITSDD).
201120 BTS Global Press Conference 'BE' live thread
201121 Translation and Korean lesson with "Fly To My Room" lyrics
201121 BE Giveaway (closed)
201122 Translation and Korean lesson with 병 (Dis-ease) lyrics

Subreddit

Rolling /bangtan Awards 2020 nomination form

Community posts

Top Discussion Posts

  1. [+1275] Just want to thank you all.
  2. [+164] Let’s talk about Crystal Snow
  3. [+163] Prettiest/most meaningful bts lyrics?
  4. [+106] BE comeback promotion details that make more sense now
  5. [+86] Does anyone think this comeback feels different?

Weekly threads

Fanart

Here are past week's top 5 fanart posts from our sister subreddit, /heungtan!
Submitter Thread
fokelpoint BE ⭐ I made a collage using the concept photos!
tsuavilez i made a Koya bc i miss joon :((
encore_snooze I painted my favourite still from "Life Goes On" mv. Swipe for reference frame
CinnySprout Snowfall JK Pin Design
kach_igga "king namjoon" by me (digital) [my first post here! did this in under 3 hrs in one sitting, & im pretty proud ngl]
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2020.11.22 14:28 Realtimastered1 The way how Adidas treats its customers is disgusting.

I don't know if here is the best place to rant but I'll do it anyway as I don't know any place better.

Long story short: After 1.5 days of chasing stocks and sitting down on a pc, refreshing for 5 hours, and finding a pair of Miles Morales shoes my order got canceled due to a stock issue. No information regarding stock availability and shipment dates were given. The order was back ordered and they blamed their warehouse-website communication. I was left off with a useless %30 discount coupon provided by a useless chatbot agent. Chatted only to find out that 'they can cancel my gift card' 'I can pick up them from a store (although the store may not be the nearest one, lulz. Can't ask anyone to travel within states for a pair of shoes).

I bought Miles Morales superstar shoes after waiting 1 day and a half. On the second day, I LITERALLY sat down and refreshed systematically for about 5 hours. At last, I was lucky enough to find my shoe size (2 was in stock) and added it to the bag quickly. Ordered them, all was fine. I bought a 100$ gift card on amazon from this. They were supposed to be a gift but I figured that Adidas (although you can access their website internationally) would ship only within the USA. It was fine because my friend is located in RI anyway. Order the pairs in his name, the shipment was due November 28. Then the status of the order had changed and it was unavailable in stock, it was said that I'd be notified later by email if it is restocked. My friend had a flight on Dec 8 so I urged to chat with agents of theirs. The first agent notified me that they can cancel the order if it'd not arrived by that time and as a standard procedure they'd wait 3 days to see if it'd restocked. I said it is fine and we can extend the period if it is eligible to do so (1 week waiting period + 1 week for shipment, my friend still would get his pairs). But, only after 10 min of my chat with the agent, the order got canceled although I did not want an imminent refund. They violated their very own fucking procedure. Sounds about a joke, right?

I contacted another agent. She (I assume) was a very standard agent. Sounded like a chatbot, apologized every time but did not bring up any solution. I had to act like a complete child who only bargains and yells. I had the things out of my control, not like I was faulty anyway but I thought I'd have some influence as I waited 5 hours to pick up those goddamn 'exclusive' shoes and paid for them already. But simply, I was not contacted to upper units, I only can assume she created a ticket on behalf of me and I have to wait for days to get notified via email. All I got from that chat is a %30 discount coupon. Man, if you simply criticize Amazon a little bit they give 10$ gift card, what's up with that damn discount. There is already a discount on the shoes and I simply said I don't want anything from Adidas. I did not want it for free, I did not want them to get shipped imminently. I can understand if stocks are low, the website was broken on that day anyway but how the fuck on the earth, in this century, warehouse and their website can't match. I am not a software developer there, I am not an agent or marketing technician there. I don't care about that stuff. They were not available to give stock information so I spent my hours fucking refreshing the page all and all over again until I buy a pair. I wanted to treat agents as kind as possible but they are just outsourced useless chatbots. Whoever controls those stocks, handles the communication between servers, well good luck to him because there could be plenty like me but maybe they can't even speak out. Adidas does not give a shit because I am almost sure they retain every right to cancel every order without further information. Keep gifting stupid discount codes and apologizing. I won't be buying anything else, forever.

PS: The shoes are already +150$ on StockX so you see the situation. In a way or other around you are enslaved to capitalism.
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2020.11.22 07:35 mazikghost Is the guy [18m] I like leading me [19f] on or is he just that clueless?

So, uh, kinda found myself in a predicament here and I'm not really sure what to do. Just looking for a little advice from an outside perspective about what to do next, I guess. Forgive me if I make any mistakes, this'll be my first post here on Reddit and I'm also on mobile 💀
I'm 19F living in the USA and have very little experience with romantic relationships. I've only ever had one guy ask me out in the past. I was 16 at the time and he had just turned 18. After our first date, it was pretty clear we weren't compatible. He took the rejection very badly, dropping out of high school about a week later. I don't blame myself for this, though it does weigh on me from time to time... The whole experience just... left a bad taste in my mouth, to put it simply. I didn't have any interest in dating after that. Well, until recently.
I started a new job at 18 and immediately hit it off with an 18M coworker. We have a shared interest in computers, our sense of humor fits well with the others, and I like seeing what kind of awesome ideas he can come up with. I'm also an artist and he really enjoys seeing my works.
We became fast friends, but it wasn't until another coworker pointed out our obvious attraction to each other that we made any move toward the other. I asked for his number and he gave it to me. We texted and called each other constantly. A week later, I was telling him I really liked him and wanted to get to know him better. He said he wasn't interesting in dating and let me down easy. I understood. I didn't want to push him into something he didn't want, so we just remained friends. I did put some distance between us after that though.
A few months later though, we were closer than we'd ever been before. After a week or so of no contact outside of work, we slowly started texting again. Then calling again. Then we were hanging out every week. I helped him with projects he was working on in his free time, and we just generally spent time together. He started flirting with me constantly while we were at work. At one point, he even slapped my ass. Still can't believe he did that, but I'll take part of the blame there and admit we'd been joking about me having absolutely no assets lmfao.
Anyways, I'd had honest conversations with him on multiple occasions telling him that I wanted a relationship, but if he didn't, I would completely respect that. But he had to stop with all the flirting and constant touching. If he wanted to just be friends, he couldn't constantly hint at having a romantic interest in me. Common sense, yknow? But after a short period, it started right back up again. I took that as a sign that he was changing his mind. Growing more comfortable with me and becoming more interested in a relationship.
I invited him over for a bonfire once. It was just the two of us, sitting outside and looking at the stars. I pointed out a few constellations and he talked about which one was his favorite, even going as far as telling me the Greek mythology behind it. That night was just.. incredibly wonderful. We cuddled for a while and I don't think I'll ever be able to forget how it all made me feel. I didn't think I could ever be so comfortable with another person. I can only say that I felt the safest I'd ever been and I know I could have fallen asleep if we'd stayed there much longer. To top it all off, I sincerely believe he almost kissed me. The only thing that stopped us was him saying, "I'll only take this as far as you want to, but you know I don't want a relationship and I don't want to lead you on.." Cue the record scratch. Seriously? Definitely wasn't going to let that little quip go without question. He had to go home though, so we barely talked about it.
In the days after that, he treated me to dinner. Asked me out to the park several times. We continued with our weekly hangouts. And eventually I brought up what had happened at the bonfire. After a long conversation, my takeaway was that he was interested in me, but had two roadblocks that kept him from doing so: 1) Not enough time to spend with me. 2) Not enough money to spend on me.
I'm understandably frustrated at this point and I told him this point blank. He's already spending time with me and, while I want more of his time, I'm satisfied with what he can give me. Money is not an issue. At all. I have no problem splitting a check if we go out. Hell, I'll foot the bill as long as he doesn't let me know last minute. I prefer small, thoughtful gestures over anything money could buy. And after telling him this, he said he needed some time to think about it. The next morning, he asked me out for real.
I wish that was the end of it, but if it was, I wouldn't be posting here lol. Five days later, he broke up with me in the parking lot after work. I could feel it coming because I had the sinking feeling that I had somehow guilted him into a relationship. And even though it had only been official for less than a week, it felt like much longer. I didn't want to go home and be alone after that night, so I ended up staying at a friend's house.
A few days later, I texted him and asked if we could talk one last time. He agreed. I meant for it to be a sort of goodbye. A catharsis for my pain. Maybe it would even give us closure. We agreed to just be coworkers from then on out. He wanted to be friends, but I knew the cycle would start all over again if I agreed to something like that. So I didn't. And he understood. No more texting, no more calls, nothing.
Two weeks later, he texts me about my brother tackling him in the hallway at school. I didn't respond at first, but he sent me four paragraphs about how badly his day had gone. After a bit, I gave in. I felt terrible for ignoring him and all I wanted to do was cheer him up somehow, even though I should have just deleted his messages. And wouldn't you know it, the cycle started right back up again.
We text again, but I haven't forgotten what he did to me. I just.. haven't gotten over him. And what makes it worse is I KNOW he doesn't have any other friends around because he is very picky about the people he surrounds himself with and even admits im the only one he talks to. I don't know what to do next. Its been years since I've fallen for someone and its so hard for me to let go when I've grown so attached and shared so much with him.
My family tells me to cut him off, ghost him completely, but I don't want to make work weird between us. Truthfully, I'm also being selfish by wishing he'd somehow magically change his mind and ask me out once again. Is there something I can do to change his mind? Do you think he deserves another chance after all that? And if you think I should just move on, how would I even go about that?

Thanks in advance to anyone who bothers to read through that massive block of text!! I'd appreciate if you shared your take on my situation.
[TL;DR A guy I like/coworker has been giving me SO MANY signs that he likes me and wants to date, but after near a year of pining, when he finally asks me out, its five days before he breaks things off. How the hell am I supposed to take that??]
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2020.11.21 03:03 InfernoAA Switchblade Era Vol. II Part One: Ashes to Empire

Bullet Club is one of the greatest successes of the past decade, initially a group of 4 brash, uber-cool gaijin led by Prince Devitt, who spat on the long-standing traditions of NJPW, frustrated by the manner they were being treated. They since turned into arguably the hottest sensation worldwide, their influence spreading throughout the wrestling industry. However, recently, the group has slowly lost its lustre, big names moving onto greener pastures and the heat that catapulted it to top petering out. Currently being co-led by Jay White and EVIL, the Switchblade Era is in desperate need of an overhaul, so let’s take a look at how that can be fixed, starting with the road to Wrestle Kingdom 15.

Build to Wrestle Kingdom 15

Presently, the only Bullet Club related match-up announced for the annual Tokyo Dome show is the main event of Night Two, featuring Jay White facing the winner of Tetsuya Naito and Kota Ibushi from Night One for both the IWGP Heavyweight and Intercontinental Championships, earning the match after defeating Ibushi for his G1 Climax Contract. As for the rest of the faction, they’re currently split across the Best of the Super Juniors and World Tag League, looking to join White on the WK card with a prestigious title match.

Best of the Super Juniors 27
Representing the faction is IWGP Junior Heavyweight Champion Taiji Ishimori, who’s eyes are set on winning his first BoSJ, having made it to the Finals in his debut in 2018, before being the runner-up for his block last year. With a shot at Ishimori’s gold on the line for WK, the stakes are higher than they’ve ever been. He starts the tournament with a loss to the favourite to win the whole tournament, Hiromu Takahashi, before rebounding with three straight victories over Ryusuke Taguchi, DOUKI and Yuya Uemura, on a hot streak, only to suffer his second loss opposite Robbie Eagles.
Resetting his focus, he’s able to head to the final night with 12 points, taking down BUSHI, IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Champion El Desperado and Master Wato along the way. With a tight victory over SHO, he sits at the top of his block with 14 points, only for Hiromu and Eagles to also meet him at 14 by the end of the night, their tie-breakers over him causing him to be eliminated from the running, finishing with an incredible campaign nonetheless. In the Finals, it’s Eagles who pulls off the upset against Hiromu, setting himself a date opposite Taiji for WK!

World Tag League
As for the WTL, BC have not 1, not 2, but 3 teams in the running, Guerrillas of Destiny, Back Luck Fale & Chase Owens, and EVIL & Yujiro Takahashi all looking to take the trophy for themselves. Fale & Owens have a tough run ahead of them, only able to record 4 points, whilst EVIL & Yujiro do considerably better, even leading the block in the early goings, but their momentum runs short entering the latter half of the tournament after a loss to their own stablemates, GoD. Upon being mathematically eliminated, EVIL decides to sabotage another team’s chance of winning, interfering in SANADA & Shingo Takagi’s penultimate match to also eliminate them from the running, setting up a heated WK match between the King of Darkness and the Cold Skull!
As for GoD, one of the faces of the Tag Division yet having never won the WTL itself, they perform brilliantly, even scoring a victory over the Tag Champs themselves, Dangerous Tekkers. Making it to the Finals, they meet long-standing rivals FinJuice, the teams 1-1 this year against each other. After an exhilarating Finals, GoD pull off the big victory, winning their first WTL and earning another round against DT, this time for the belts. However, with FinJuice also pinning DT, they lobby to be added to the match, bringing up their win over GoD at last year’s WK for the straps, as well as their near-flawless record this year, making it a Triple Threat to GoD’s chagrin.

Super J-Cup
The final tournament on the road to WK is the legendary Super J-Cup, all eyes on defending champion El Phantasmo as he looks to join GoD in bringing Bullet Club tournament success. In the opening round, he squares off against GCW sensation Blake Christian, picking up the victory, before clashing with Cruiserweight Classic Winner TJP in the Semi-Finals, another hard-fought win in the books for the Canadian. Making it to the Finals, looking to win his second year in a row, he squares off against Lio Rush, the two delivering in an epic bout which sees ELP fall narrowly short, unable to bring home the trophy.

Despite Bullet Club only winning 1 of 3 tournaments, they have a strong line-up of matches for them on January 4th & 5th in:

Night One
Night Two

Looking to undo the curse of last year where for the first time in the faction’s history, they left with 0 titles, having always left with at least 1 in previous years, an indication of the recent decline in BC’s dominance, Jay White rallies his troops and demands only the best from them up and down the card.

Wrestle Kingdom 15 – Night One

NEVER Openweight 6-Man Tag Team Championships Scramble
A feature of the grand spectacle that is Wrestle Kingdom is the 6-Man Title match, featuring competitors from all factions vying for the trios gold. In a twist on the usual Gauntlet concept, a Scramble occurs instead, a new team entering every 5 minutes. The bout is kicked off by Los Ingobernables de Japon and Taguchi Japan, the two sides keeping themselves busy with each other before the reigning champions, CHAOS, are out next, Bullet Club’s Bad Luck Fale, Yujiro Takahashi and Chase Owens entering the fray 4th.
The first pinfall of the match occurs when Fale gets one over Taguchi, BC becoming the interim champions, only for Suzuki-Gun to become the final team to enter and immediately make a huge impact as they pick at the exhausted competitors, Taichi pinning Chase Owens to take the titles! It’s frantic in the ring as the clock reaches its final minute, pinfall attempts being traded left and right, BC doing their all to leave with the straps, but it’s YOSHI-HASHI taking the titles back for CHAOS by pinning El Desperado, CHAOS retaining!
CHAOS (Hirooki Goto, Tomohiro Ishii & YOSHI-HASHI) retain the NEVER Openweight 6-Man Tag Team Championship (20:00)

IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship: Taiji Ishimori (c) vs Robbie Eagles
As a result of Eagles winning BoSJ 27, the match between him and Ishimori for the gold was made official for WK, Taiji 4 months into his 2nd reign. The two have quite the history between them, Eagles once a member of Bullet Club, teaming with Ishimori in the Super Junior Tag League back in 2018, though were unable to win the whole tournament. Whilst Ishimori moved on to winning the Junior Title at WK, Eagles was left directionless with BC. A spirited run in the BoSJ the following year lead him to a Junior Title match vs Will Ospreay, whom he would join forces with over in CHAOS, turning his back on BC. Whilst the newly-dubbed Birds of Prey fell short in their challenge for Ishimori & ELP’s Junior Tag Titles, Eagles had not forgotten about Ishimori, his recent BoSJ win leading him full circle back to the Bone Soldier.
Now, with the Junior Heavyweight Title between them at WK, the two do battle, Ishimori brutally stretching the Aussie out and using his shorter, nimbler frame to evade incoming aerial attacks, bringing him crashing down to earth instead with a massive Spanish Fly! Slapping on an Omoplata Crossface, Taiji keeps up his work on the challenger, wanting to torture him in reminder of Eagles turning his back on the group that once brought him in, only for Robbie to start making a comeback, the Sniper of the Skies taking it back to the Bone Soldier with Ace Crushers, before nailing a picture-perfect Warp 4.5, Ishimori kicking out with bare milliseconds to spare! A surprise Bloody Cross almost does Robbie in, but as the champ looks to seal the deal with a Revolución, a blindingly quick spray of kicks stun him, before Eagles cinches in the Ron Miller Special! Trapped in the centre of the ring with nowhere to go, Taiji taps out!
Robbie Eagles def. Taiji Ishimori to win the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship (20:37)

IWGP United States Championship: KENTA vs Jon Moxley (c)
As for the special attraction of the night for Bullet Club, it’s the long-awaited confrontation between KENTA and former AEW World Champion Jon Moxley, having recently dropped his title to Kenny Omega en route to his third title defence of a 365 day long reign, more desperate than ever to clobber the loving hell out of someone to unleash all his pent-up frustrations, the Black Sun being that man for him. On the other hand, KENTA is just as equally chomping at the bit to fight for the US Title, having waited since his New Japan Cup USA victory back in August for this opportunity, now having it presented to him on the grandest stage possible. This match isn’t just about the title for him though, as after BC’s two losses earlier in the night, all the pressure is on his shoulders to help the allow the faction to leave with gold on Night One.
The two get down to action immediately, not even waiting for the bell to get into a hockey fight, seeming more like a NEVER Openweight Title match. Mox pounds KENTA into the mat in a Lou Thesz Press, only for KENTA to launch him off with his strong legs, before battering him back with shots all over the body, pressing him into the corner for a Hesitation Dropkick! A Roundhouse Kick straight to the jaw seems to knock out a tooth or two from Mox’s jaw, leaving the former Deathmatch competitor bleeding from the jaw, simply wiping the crimson away with a smile, just a day in the life of the champ. Leathering each other with strikes, Jon suddenly pulls KENTA into a Snap Death Rider, almost getting the 3 count, only for him to get his foot on the rope! A Pendulum Lariat is evaded, KENTA instead bashing his already dented NJC Briefcase over Mox’s skull as the referee is distracted, the imprint from cracking it on Hiroshi Tanahashi now widened by Mox, before nailing consecutive Go 2 Sleeps! 1…2…3! KENTA is the new US Champion!
KENTA def. Jon Moxley (c) to win IWGP United States Championship (23:02)

In Night One’s Main Event, Tetsuya Naito and Kota Ibushi do battle for the IWGP Heavyweight & Intercontinental Championships, one year on from Ibushi’s challenge for Okada’s gold. Both men put it all on the line, balancing the more headstrong and reckless style with the required stamina to last in a Tokyo Dome main event. The most prestigious match in their rivalry sees the Golden Star finally capture the big one, 6 years in the making for Ibushi as he leaves January 4 with both of NJPW’s top titles. After the match, he’s confronted by the man he’s slated to face the following night, Jay White, who has a sneer on his face as he extends a Too Sweet to Kota, the champ shaking his head and raising his titles instead.

Wrestle Kingdom 15 – Night Two

IWGP Tag Team Championships: Guerrillas of Destiny vs Dangerous Tekkers (c) vs FinJuice
2020 has been the year of Zack Sabre Jr. & Taichi, the team of Dangerous Tekkers capturing the IWGP Tag Team Championships from Golden☆Ace back at Dominion, running roughshod over the tag division. Taking advantage of the likes of GoD and FinJuice being unable to travel to NJPW due to restrictions, they cemented their position at the top of the division and forged an elite chemistry, now prepared for all comers. With GoD winning the WTL for the first time, now also looking for their first WK victory and FinJuice out to reclaim the Tag Titles one year on from when they won them the first time at last year’s WK, DT are in for a tough defence.
As the bell rings, chaos reigns supreme in the ring between the 6 men, GoD completely disregarding rules, instead initiating a brawl with the rest of the competitors. Taichi opts to sit back and watch, sliding in when need be to save the match or double-team alongside Zack, whilst FinJuice fight from underneath, oftentimes finding themselves at somewhat of a handicap with both teams coming after them. GoD manage to isolate DT from FinJuice, sending Juice & Finlay far up the ramp to prevent them from interfering, leading to a 2-on-2 encounter between the BC and Suzuki-Gun tandems. A Super Powerbomb is thwarted by a Dangerous Backdrop from the Lord and Saviour, only for ZSJ to eat a Gun Stun from Tama Tonga to prevent a Zack Mephisto! FinJuice re-enter the fray, almost going two years in a row as a Left Hand of God/Acid Drop connects on Tonga, only for both members of DT to save the match for themselves! A Penalty Kick into a Holy Zack Driver connects on Finlay whilst Juice is thrown out of the ring, but before DT can do anything, GoD nail Guerrilla Warfare on them! 1…2…3! Guerrillas of Destiny have won at WK for the first time, becoming a record 7-time Tag Champs in the process!
Guerrillas of Destiny def. Dangerous Tekkers (c) and FinJuice to win the IWGP Tag Team Championships (16:30)

EVIL vs SANADA
Almost 5 years of history lead to this match, the roots running deep between BC’s EVIL and LIJ’s SANADA. Once one of three initial members of LIJ alongside leader Tetsuya Naito and BUSHI, EVIL formed a tag team with SANADA upon the Cold Skull joining the faction the following year, the two becoming runner-ups for their block in the WTL, before capturing the 6-Man Tag Titles at WK, amassing 3 reigns alongside each other. Back-to-back WTL and subsequent Tag Title victories at WK12 & 13 established them as a dominant unit. However, that bond was all thrown away when EVIL turned on LIJ and jumped ship to BC, assuming co-leadership there. After EVIL cost SANADA the WTL, all signs pointed to a singles confrontation between them to settle the score, the two 2-2 against each other.
A stoic SANADA and a brooding EVIL meet each other inside the ring, SANADA with his Cold Skull mask in his right hand, EVIL with Dick Togo and Jado in his corner. To SANADA’s surprise, EVIL signals to them that he wants to do this on his own, who hesitantly oblige. SANADA is calm and steady in his movements, not letting the hatred for EVIL cloud his mind, instead putting his focus on winning the match, but it’s made difficult by the cocky, brutish nature of the King of Darkness, EVIL bullying SANADA about the ring with less wrestling moves and more ugly strikes, shoves and tosses. A thumb poke to the eye scouts a Skull End, EVIL instead clamping on the Banshee Muzzle, looking to drain the life out of his once partner, only for the Tokyo crowd to rally on the Cold Skull, who fights out and nails a picture-perfect Moonsault!
A Skull End attempt is stopped by Togo and Jado, making their presence known as EVIL retracts his initial orders, causing SANADA to take them out with a Moonsault to the outside, but as he slides back inside the ring, he’s caught with a low blow outside the ref’s view, leading to Everything Is Evil! 1…2…NOOOOO! SANADA somehow gets the shoulder up, the crowd firmly backing him as he lets it all out against EVIL! He nails a symbolic Destino, before transitioning into a Skull End, EVIL struggling in his grasp, arms waving frantically, yelling for Togo & Jado to help him out of his predicament, but he’s all alone this time, the road he made for himself when he turned on LIJ and joined a faction that hasn’t warmed to him so much. He caves in, tapping out, crowning SANADA the victor!
SANADA def. EVIL (17:25)

IWGP Heavyweight/Intercontinental Championships: Jay White vs Kota Ibushi (c)(c)
Jay White vs Kota Ibushi has been quite the rivalry to watch unfold over the past 1 ½ years, Ibushi defeating White in the G1 29 Finals, before meeting him in the Loser’s Bracket of the Double Gold Dash at WK14, White leaving Kota looking up at the lights as he got his win back. He didn’t stop there, defeating Ibushi in their G1 Block match later that year, before becoming the first competitor to win the G1 Contract from someone else, defeating Ibushi at Power Struggle to steal his spot in WK’s ME, forcing Ibushi to go through Naito to get to him. The series 3-1 in White’s favour, one of those being a win exactly 365 days ago in the same spot, the odds aren’t looking too good for Ibushi, but he isn’t going to let himself have the shortest IWGP Hvt reign in history.
Mind games are ever prevalent in White’s strategy, taunting Ibushi to come for him, only to roll outside the ring to toy with him, Too Sweeting Gedo and even Gino Gambino. Ibushi, however, has seen this too many times to fall for it, Jay almost impressed as he rolls back inside the ring to an unmoving Kota, not letting his guard down for even a second. White decides he’ll have to find his sweet spot in another fashion, getting into some straight-up wrestling with the Golden Star, the two evenly matched as the bout rolls on. To White’s chagrin, Kota still doesn’t crack as Gedo tries to work himself into the match, dealing with him handily, before turning his attention right back to Jay without even the slightest slip-up. The Switchblade becomes more aggressive in his attacks, cerebrally and meticulously picking Ibushi apart, using anything he can from his surroundings to his advantage.
He delivers a sick apron Saito Suplex, locks in a devasting Modified Reverse Figure-Four Leglock, and even drills him with Sharp Sensations to the chest in attempts of knocking him out if he can’t pin or submit him, yet Ibushi stands his ground, weathering the storm to fight back. A middle rope Deadlift German ragdolls White across the mat, a Roundhouse Kick to the side of the head damn near makes it lights out for Jay, and Golden Star Powerbomb brings him crashing down into the canvas, yet much like Ibushi, the Knife Pervert stays in it, wanting to do what he failed to do last year and leave with both titles over his shoulders. Getting frustrated, White starts pushing it further and further, putting Ibushi through a table with a Kiwi Krusher and bounces his head off the floor with a Blade Runner, but that only serves to tick Ibushi off even more, the Golden Star going into murder mode!
A nasty series of open palm strikes and blistering kicks that leave him black and blue all over allow Ibushi to hook both arms, looking to be done with White once and for all, only for BC to hit the scene in support of their leader. A mis-fired Roundhouse Kick takes out the referee, prompting BC to go to rip into the champion, but not letting the sanctity of the WK ME be sullied, NJPW’s Main Unit race out, the likes of Hiroshi Tanahashi, FinJuice and Tencozy fighting back! As the dust settles, all that’s left is the knackered pair of White and Ibushi… and EVIL! Looking to repay the favour from White trying to lend a hand in EVIL’s Heavyweight & IC match against Naito at Power Struggle, EVIL takes it to Ibushi, but as he goes for a Lariat, Kota evades, causing EVIL to take out White instead, Ibushi proceeding to remove him from the ring with a V-Trigger, before turning back to Jay, nailing a Kamigoye! Not settling for just one though, he calls for a second, only for White to nail a last-gasp Blade Runner! An attempt for two ends in a second Kamigoye though, Ibushi collapsing into cover! 1…2…3!
Kota Ibushi (c)(c) def. Jay White to retain the IWGP Heavyweight & Intercontinental Championship (36:46)

Wrestle Kingdom was a show of mixed success for Bullet Club, as whilst they secured the US and Tag Titles, all their other matches ended in losses, White particularly livid about his loss to Ibushi, getting into a shouting match with EVIL after the show backstage, the rest of the faction having to get in between the two leaders before things could go south, cracks running deep in the faction behind the veil of gold.

Build to New Beginning 2021

New Year Dash!! 2021
The night after WK sees BC compete in the night’s main event, a Tag Team match pitting the two leaders, White and EVIL, against newly crowned Hvt/IC Champ Ibushi and his partner, Tanahashi. Whilst Golden☆Ace work on the same page, maintaining great synergy, White and EVIL bicker between themselves, tagging themselves in and out as they please, leading them back into a shouting match. EVIL snaps, laying White out with Everything Is Evil! The White/EVIL partnership has imploded! Satisfied, EVIL walks out on Jay, allowing Ibushi to pin the Switchblade for the win!
As Golden☆Ace rejoice in victory, heading to the back, White pulls himself back to his feet, furious. EVIL cost him his match at WK and has now shown his true colours! It isn’t long though before EVIL starts making his way back, White bracing himself for action, only for the rest of BC to make their way out, once again pushing the two apart from one another, tensions running high in Korakuen Hall, the title successes from the previous night being sullied by the drama between the two leaders. The two yell across the arena, White challenging EVIL to a match, only for him to grunt and turn away once more, returning to the back as White demands him to return, but to no avail…
Whilst EVIL doesn’t immediately respond to White’s challenge, his response is clear already, more than happy to take the match and put down White, but only on one condition: If he wins, BC is his. Jay, though not so inclined to risk his leadership, accepts, knowing there’s no other way around things, the match made official for Osaka! As for the rest of BC, they’re involved in multi-man tags on the ‘Road To’ specials alongside White against EVIL’s branch of BC, whilst KENTA and GoD set their sights on title defences, the former receiving a challenge from SANADA following his victory over EVIL, whilst Dangerous Tekkers are out to take their titles back from GoD.

New Beginning 2021

USA
IWGP United States Championship: KENTA (c) vs SANADA
The first major stop on the road to Osaka is USA, KENTA defending his newly-won gold against the Cold Skull. A contrast to the more physical match wrestled against Mox, KENTA and SANADA take things down the technical route, SANADA employing his ground game to look for an opening to cinch in the Skull End, eyes locked on the neck, whilst KENTA keeps his attention on SANADA’s shoulder, using precise kicks and stomps to wear it out. A Paradise Lock from SANADA allows him to toy with his foe, rolling him about the ring and taking clear shots at the neck.
As he calls for Skull End though, KENTA fights out and drops him on his shoulder with a German Suplex! The Cold Skull retorts with a Dragon Suplex, before scaling to the high-rent district, wanting to land a Moonsault, only for KENTA to stop him in his tracks, instead turning the predicament into an Avalanche Falcon Arrow! A Busaiku Knee Kick is evaded, SANADA going back to the well with Skull End, KENTA teasing tapping out, only to steal the arm and reverse into Game Over! Wrenching back in the Crossface, SANADA has no choice but to tap!
KENTA (c) def. SANADA to retain the IWGP United States Championship (18:11)

Sapporo
IWGP Tag Team Championships: Guerrillas of Destiny (c) vs Dangerous Tekkers
With Osaka growing closer by the day, NJPW makes its next big stop in Sapporo, featuring the Tag Title match between GoD and DT. In a rematch from the WTL, GoD play the role of the aggressors in this match, backed by the confidence of being the champions. The longer-standing chemistry between Tama and Tonga allows them to assume control in the match, using frequent tags and double teams to leave their less experienced foes on the backfoot. A timely counter of a Tongan Twist turns the tide of the match, Sabre applying dual submissions on his foes as Taichi watches on in approval.
He goes on to work with the World’s Sliest Wrestler to reaffirm just why they were NJPW’s MVP Tag Team last year, surprising GoD with their fluidity as Taichi nails a Dangerous Backdrop on Tama, before ZSJ & Taichi score dual Penalty Kicks, a Guillotine Choke into an Axe Bomber ensuing, only for Tanga to block a Zack Mephisto, having seen enough. The back-and-forth action leads them to a fast-paced finish, a Gun Stun countered with a Rear Naked Choke, a Black Mephisto cancelled with a Spear, a Holy Zack Driver failing as Tama takes Taichi out with a Gun Stun, leaving ZSJ to eat the double-team Guerrilla Warfare! 1...2...3!
Guerrillas of Destiny (c) def. Dangerous Tekkers to retain the IWGP Tag Team Championships (21:33)

Osaka
Jay White vs EVIL
Slowly brewing over the past 7 months is the eventual confrontation between White and EVIL, the latter joining forces with BC whilst Jay was away, proceeding to shoot them back to the main event title picture. Upon White’s return though, the issues between the two leaders simmered as they fought for power between themselves, looking to establish who is the one true leader of the faction. Both men, whether it was actually unintentional or not, cost each other shots at the top titles, so it only seems fair that they have a platform to solve their issues once and for all, with the added caveat that if EVIL wins, he becomes the undisputed leader of BC.
All of BC is already present at ringside as White and EVIL both make the walk to the squared circle alone, the faction members all keeping a close eye on the action as it could very well dictate their own futures too. As the match gets underway, the two opt to stall and trash talk in the early goings, taking their sweet time, knowing just how important it is to get everything right in this match and win. White approaches the King of Darkness, offering a Too Sweet and taunting him to back down, only for EVIL to swing for a Lariat, White narrowly evading, a smirk on his face. Using his size and power advantage, EVIL looks to take control of the Switchblade, but the slick counters and cunningness of White keep the bout even.
As BC watch on intently from ringside, the arena deathly silent in anticipation of seeing who BC’s sole leader will be, the two trade their signature manoeuvres, momentum swinging between them like a pendulum. EVIL brings a chair into the ring, wrapping it around the Switchblade’s head and going for Everything is Evil, only for White to fight back, removing the chair and dumping EVIL over the ropes to the outside with a Saito Suplex! With the match spilling to ringside, all it takes is one misfired shot to a bystander for it to turn into a Lumberjack match, all hell breaking loose as EVIL launches a chair at White, only for him to duck and for the steel to catch Chase Owens in the face! All the bodies duke it out amongst themselves, White and EVIL finding themselves caught up in the fray too, eating errant shots left and right, before trading some blows between themselves.
The referee desperately tries to regain control of the match, eventually White and EVIL returning back inside the ring, both going to the well with their finishers in an epic closing sprint. A Blade Runner is blocked, EVIL going for Darkness Falls again, only for White to slip out and nail a Kiwi Krusher, before hooking EVIL in once more, only this time it’s a low blow to counter it! Setting the chair up once more, the King of Darkness calls for Everything Is Evil on the steel, nailing it! 1…2…KENTA BREAKS IT UP! EVIL is taken aback, GoD following KENTA into the ring, then Fale, ELP, Taiji, Yujiro, Owens, everyone surrounding EVIL! He looks left and right frantically, before BC pounce on him like rabid wolves, dogpiling him! Feeding EVIL’s carcass to White, the Switchblade connects the Blade Runner! 1…2…3!
Jay White def. EVIL (20:12)
Too Sweets are shared all around the ring as EVIL’s body is disposed of, everyone seeming to have had enough of the King of Darkness. With BC uniting under White’s leadership once more, Jay cuts a promo, claiming that the Day of Reckoning struck for EVIL and BC has been rid of its vermin. Now, they move onto new beginnings, promising to restore the faction back to its once heights and rule New Japan with an iron fist. In order to rebuild their faction, they need new faces, new motivations, and most importantly, more titles. So, he’d like to make a declaration and put the locker room on notice. This year, he will enter the G1 as the IWGP Heavyweight Champ!

Build to G1 Supercard 2021

AEW Dynamite
On the road to winning the IWGP Title, White makes a quick detour, making a surprise appearance on AEW Dynamite! With the NJPW/AEW relationship taking off, Jay takes it to his advantage to swing by, bumping into Jon Moxley backstage, who’s gearing up for his match against Kenny Omega this weekend at Revolution II for his once AEW World Championship. Mox, much like everyone else, is caught off guard by White’s appearance, the Switchblade proceeding to offer Mox a position in BC, stating that they could make do with one of AEW’s biggest stars, before promising to elevate him to heights he’s never been before. Handing him a BC shirt, Jay slinks back into the shadows, telling him he’ll be waiting for a response by the end of the night.
In the main event of the show, Jon faces off against PAC to warm up for his World Title match, the leader of Death Triangle also expressing his interests in challenging for the title, a considerable WL record on his hands. After a great showcase between the two, Mox seals the deal with a pair of Paradigm Shifts, pinning PAC for the victory. As he celebrates on the turnbuckles, a potential preview to what could go down on Saturday, White heads down to the ring, confronting Mox about his offer to join BC, reminding him it’s limited time. The Death Rider weighs the shirt in his hands, teasing putting it on, only to flip White off and drill him with a Paradigm Shift as well!
PAC returning to his feet, he leads Death Triangle in a 3-on-1 beatdown on Mox, White joining in as he recovers, switching to his ruthless side on a dime, nailing Mox with a Blade Runner, before threading his leg through a chair and Pillmanising it! He yells at him that he made a mistake, how they could’ve been so great together, but before he can run his mouth any more, he turns to see Death Triangle staring him down intently, proceeding to leave the ring to them before they go after him too. Whilst the recruitment didn’t turn out so well, he may have just made himself a dangerous enemy…

(Side-note: At Revolution II, Mox falls short against Omega, who’s back in his Cleaner phase with Young Bucks by his side, the Elite trio at AEW’s head. After the match, Death Triangle attack Mox once again, before staring down the Elite as the show comes to a close.)

New Japan Cup
After the visit to AEW, White and the rest of BC set their sights on winning the NJC, Jay, KENTA and ELP throwing their names into the hat for the 16-man tournament. In the opening round, White is tasked with taking on the man that eliminated him from the G1 last year, CHAOS’ Tomohiro Ishii. He strides into the match confident as ever despite never having defeated the Stone Pitbull in the past, the goal of winning the IWGP Title by the G1 lighting a fire underneath himself. The two battle for a full 29 minutes, going ever so close to breaking half an hour, but it’s a Blade Runner- Wait, someone seems to be heading to the ring from the crowd! Suddenly, Ishii spins White around and nails a Brainbuster out of nowhere! 1…2…3! WHITE IS OUT IN THE FIRST ROUND!
A phenomenal match between White and Ishii ends in a true shocker as Bullet Club’s Leader is out before the rest of his stablemates, a shot to the heart of White’s plans of winning the IWGP Hvt Title. He has no time to fathom what just occurred though, bigger problems on their way as the figure from the crowd slides into the ring and starts laying into Jay, pulling back their hood to reveal themselves to be JON MOXLEY! The Death Rider drills him with consecutive Death Riders, before going for some sweet retribution by trying to stomp White’s leg through a chair, the excruciating manoeuvre playing into Mox’s loss at Revolution, Jon now out for revenge! Before he can follow through though, White just about powders, leaving a seething Mox in the ring.
Whilst White’s run ended straight away, KENTA and ELP find more luck, advancing to the Quarter Finals, where the Black Sun is the next to depart in surprising fashion, leaving the Headbanga to make his way to the Semi Finals, the opportunity to win the whole NJC drawing closer by the minute, only to lose out to one of his rivals in Will Ospreay, the Assassin etching a spot in the Finals. Nonetheless, ELP’s breakout run doesn’t go under the radar, proving himself to be somewhat of a hidden gem for BC.

New Japan Cup Finals
IWGP Tag Team Championships: Guerrillas of Destiny (c) vs FinJuice
Other members of BC having their hands full with the NJC, GoD put out the challenge to anyone to face them for their tag titles at the NJC Finals show, FinJuice stepping up to answer, not having had a rematch for the belts after not being pinned in the Triple Threat at WK. Another instalment in the GoD/FinJuice rivalry ensues, Juice and Finlay adamant to take the titles for themselves, whilst GoD are out to make FinJuice victims of their dominance once more. It’s classic tag team wrestling between the two sides, the 7-time Tag Champs bullying their opponents about the ring, the former WTL winners responding with babyface fire and aggression. In the end, GoD go for Guerrilla Warfare, only for a Left Hand of God to send Tanga out of the ring, allowing a Juicebox/Air Rad Crash combo on Tama to ensue! 1…2…3! FinJuice with the upset!
FinJuice def. Guerrillas of Destiny (c) to win the IWGP Tag Team Championships (19:10)

White is taken aback by BC’s recent losses, expecting to win the NJC with ease, and now GoD have lost them 1 of 2 titles they own, all hopes now riding on KENTA to keep a tight grip on his title as they gear up for the G1 Supercard event announced for April, NJPW returning to Madison Square Garden! They’re not alone though, as part of the NJPW/AEW relationship, stars from both companies will appear on the show! Which for White can only mean that all fingers are pointing towards one match…
Both on a collision course following recent events, White vs Mox is hyped up as one of the larger attractions, the night’s semi main event slot booked for two of both companies biggest stars! Also on the card in a match to watch out for, KENTA is scheduled to defend his US Title against the Empire’s Jeff Cobb, whilst the rest of BC are involved elsewhere on the card in smaller interpromotional bouts. As for the selling point of the show, NJPW’s Top Champion, Kota Ibushi, will face off against none other than AEW’s Top Champion, Kenny Omega! Set to be an incredible night of action in MSG, BC are looking to score big.

G1 Supercard 2021
IWGP United States Championship: KENTA (c) vs Jeff Cobb
In one of two large matches involving BC on the show, KENTA defends his title against Jeff Cobb, an interesting clash of styles between the striker and the powerhouse. KENTA plays to his own strengths, dragging Cobb into a striking affair and lighting him up with kicks all over, but he gets too overzealous in the face of the Hawaiian Hulk, who brings him crashing down to earth with Rolling Gutwrench Suplexes! KENTA fights back with a Fisherman Buster, before catching him with a High Knee on the jaw and a Tiger Suplex! As he heaves to get Cobb onto his shoulders for the Go 2 Sleep, Jeff slips behind, nailing a Headbutt right on the button, before connecting a Tour of the Islands! 1…2…3! Just like that, BC is left title-less!
Jeff Cobb def. KENTA (c) to win the IWGP United States Championship (16:28)

Jay White vs Jon Moxley
The arena is electric as NJPW’s White and AEW’s Moxley make their respective entrances, White clearly shaken by KENTA’s loss earlier in the night, his new era already seeming to fall apart as now BC have no gold to flaunt, making defeating Mox all the more necessary to keep face. Meanwhile, Mox is a man on a mission, wanting nothing more than the satisfaction of beating White. In a rematch from their G1 encounter, the two hot commodities collide, the two complementing each other well with a slow, grinding pace, White centring his offense around Mox’s leg, Dragon Screw Leg Whips weakening the base, whilst Mox focuses on the neck, softening up Jay for the Paradigm Shift with Rear Naked Choke attempts! Multiple dramatic near-falls and submissions ensue, MSG treated to a slobberknocker of an encounter, eventually coming to a close as White fights free of a Bulldog Choke, instead kicking out Mox’s knee to nail a Blade Runner, securing the 3 count!
Jay White def. Jon Moxley (20:29)

Moving onto the main event of the night, Omega and Ibushi are deep into their encounter, the story backing their encounter making it all the more interesting. After Omega left NJPW two years ago to aid in the formation of AEW, Ibushi set his sights on winning the title that Omega lost at that year’s WK, going through quite the journey to finally join the Best Bout Machine in the record books. In almost a dream come true for Kota, both he and Omega at the top of their companies, Kenny Kenny regressed back to his dark upon turning on Adam Page, leaving Ibushi now desperately trying to restore Omega back to the light. An epic struggle ensues in which Omega seems as if he’s going to return to Ibushi once more, but The Cleaner can’t bring himself to do it, ending up capitalising on Ibushi’s heartbreak on misery to nail the One Winged Angel and win!
He doesn’t have time to celebrate though as after the match, White heads to the ring with a microphone, which peaks Omega’s interest. The Switchblade states that two months ago he announced a new era for Bullet Club which would be illustrated by success on top of success. But as everyone can see, the opposite has occurred, the group losing all their titles. However, after his match against Mox, he realised that something was missing from BC, some sort of spark was lacking to kick start his plans. A fire needs all three components to burn, and much like a fire, BC needs its own triangle to set the world on fire once more… DEATH TRIANGLE hit the ring, laying waste to Omega, Young Bucks coming out to try and help him out but they’re taken out too, before they raise the Elite’s titles, White doing the same with Ibushi’s! As the 4 of them stand side-by-side in the ring, White tells the wrestling world to watch out, because BC & Death Triangle have united as one, and they’re coming for the thrones!
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2020.11.19 17:29 SaintRidley Wrestling Observer Rewind ★ June 13, 1988

Going through old issues of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and posting highlights in my own words, continuing in the footsteps of daprice82. For anyone interested, I highly recommend signing up for the actual site at f4wonline and checking out the full archives.
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FUTURE YEARS ARCHIVE:
The Complete Observer Rewind Archive by daprice82
1-4-1988 1-11-1988 1-18-1988 1-25-1988
2-1-1988 2-8-1988 2-15-1988 2-22-1988
2-29-1988 3-7-1988 3-14-1988 3-21-1988
3-28-1988 4-4-1988 4-11-1988 4-18-1988
4-25-1988 5-2-1988 5-9-1988 5-16-1988
5-23-1988 5-30-1988 6-6-1988 *
  • The WWF is the source of most of the news this week, and the first major thing is the Superstars taping on June 1. Dave was in Oakland and gives a full recap of the show. They had 12,120 in attendance (around 9,000 paid) and a gate around $110,000. Dave compliments the show’s atmosphere and WWF’s commitment to putting on a show, even if their style has some drawbacks. He does say that for an arena show, 29 matches is normally way too many, but since it was a tv taping, you know what you’re getting yourself into. Everyone who complains about modern tv tapings, be glad you weren’t going to these. They managed a good pace overall and kept the entire taping under 4 hours (last year’s taping in San Francisco was nearly 5 hours and had fans booing everyone in the last hour because they just wanted to see Hogan and get their money’s worth before leaving). Anyway, if you know 1980s Dave, you know his first major complaint is always going to be about unannounced changes to the advertised card. All during their tv hype for this, they were pushing Honkytonk vs. Beefcake with Jimmy Hart banned from the building. They forgot about that last bit and Jimmy was there. Then they talked about how the next show in town, Jimmy would be banned from the building. They also advertised free t-shirts to all fans in attendance, and they didn’t come through on that. Dave thinks it’s a real swing and a miss - 12,000 fans all wearing a Randy Savage t-shirt would have been a remarkable sight and been really effective. Anyway, Dave thinks most were pretty happy with the show as a whole.
  • I’m not going to go through everything on this taping, because Dave seriously covers all 29 matches, but here are some highlights and even that’s a lot. Dave gives a Brady Boone vs. Steve Lombardi dark match 3.25 stars. WWF is now doing all announcing from their studio in Connecticut, so no live announcing in the arena or even intros for each hour of the taping, which makes it hard to tell what’s going to be on what week’s show. That said, this did help things along in terms of speed. They had Slick do an interview introducing the Big Boss Man, and because they didn’t really work to change his look, he got some chants of “Bubba, Bubba” from those who recognized him. Dave takes the time to comment on Warrior’s utter lack of conditioning, as he was winded before he could even finish his entrance and could barely beat his chest. He says it’s a real statement to call anyone a worse worker than Andre the Giant right now, but Warrior has him beat by a mile. Bossman’s tv debut match was against Louie Spicoli. He squashed Spicoli in about a minute or so, then cuffed him to the ropes and beat him with his nightstick. The Hart Foundation has reunited as a face team and kicked Jimmy Hart to the curb. Rick Rude has a lot of heat thanks to the angle with Jake Roberts, and Dave can’t remember the last time a heel was so universally hated. At most he had a dozen women cheering for him, while everyone else was against him. Don Muraco “chased” Jimmy Hart to the back in an angle clearly setting him and Greg Valentine up for a feud and potentially writing Billy Graham off as a manager, but Jimmy ran so much faster that he beat him to the back by a mile and a guy behind Dave joked that Jimmy Hart is the best athlete on the show. The Rockers re-debuted for WWF and have made it two days with the company, doubling their previous record for WWF tenure. Dave thinks Michaels and Janetty are exactly what WWF needs: a babyface tag team with a rock and roll gimmick (WWF has never done that before, while other promotions have overdone it) and they got a good reaction. Dave makes an ill-advised comparison between Beefcake being over big in the area because he’s billed from San Francisco to “taking pride in living in the AIDS capital of the world.” I think we can expect letters about that in the coming weeks. Badnews Brown is doing a thing with the raising a black gloved hand in the air and Dave thinks it would have been really over if this were 1969, but it’s about 20 years too late to really strike that iron effectively and Dave jokes that you’d think Verne Gagne came up with that one until you realize he only just learned last year that baseball broke the color barrier. Dave compliments Rude again and says he’s such a good heel that Dave doesn’t even like watching him. By hour 3, fans were catching on with the Bossman’s gimmick and it was getting some good heat. The Hart Foundation’s first face match saw them beat a face jobber team and wrestle like heels while playing to the crowd like faces. The crowd was a bit confused, but Dave thinks faces who wrestle like heels could get over well once the crowd shakes off the classical conditioning. He especially compliments Bret’s fake knee injury as the best thing on the card and best sell of a fake knee injury he’s ever seen in WWF. Fans started leaving after the 26th match on the show and by the time the DiBiase vs. Savage (with Elizabeth) match happened, there were fewer than 7,000 left (and under 4,000 left by the finish). Dave quips that they probably left after seeing what Liz was wearing. Sure, Dave.
Watch: Big Boss Man makes his WWF tv debut
  • Electronic Media Magazine wrote a pretty frank kayfabe-breaking note in their May 23 issue, and they predict Ted DiBiase as the next WWF champ. They say:
While sports prognostication is normally a risky business, the scenario of who becomes the World Wrestling Federation’s champ is scripted out months in advance. It’s based on the popularity of the wrestler, not his record, according to the results each performer inspires in WWF’s multimillion dollar merchandising sales. Based on that criteria, insiders are laying odds that the next WWF champion will be “Million Dollar Man” Ted DiBiase. But look for Hulk Hogan to reclaim the crown in a matter of months.
  • Anyway, Dave gives his thoughts on this prediction. Dave figures Hogan’s a draw with or without the belt, so he’ll probably be paired with Bossman and Andre for the fall while Savage needs the belt right now to remain a draw. He’s reminded of New Japan 1983, where everyone assumed the boom from January to August was due to Inoki and without him things would stall out, and the same would be the case for WWF this summer without Hogan. New Japan didn’t stall and that eventually led to the split that created the original UWF. WWF doesn’t have to worry about anything like that happening, but it’s conceivable that WWF continuing fine without Hogan could reduce Hogan’s pull because the company would know they can weather through without him. So Dave thinks, given that and how far behind the NWA is, that keeping the belt on Savage for the time being (provided he still remains able to draw) is the smart move. Ultimately, when Savage loses the belt comes down to Hogan’s ego and whether Hogan feels he needs the belt and if he’ll demand it when he returns, if he’ll have patience, or if he’ll leave the company if he can’t just call his shots. If Savage does stop drawing, by all means transition to DiBiase then Hogan, but right now Savage is working as an attraction and it’s best to work in such a way where you can have two of those (Hogan and Savage) rather than only just one. It may even be better to have Savage as champion since Hogan only works weekends and tv, rather than the full schedule like Savage does.
  • WWF is also expanding their schedule again beginning on July 7. They’ll be running a fourth touring group to hit small towns they used to consider too small to be worth going to and do charity shows. Dave interprets this as WWF’s attempt to deliver a killing blow to the other promotions that are currently run pretty ragged. The charity shows, for instance, are most probably designed to be able to snipe charity deals from smaller promotions because WWF will be able to offer a more lucrative product in place of, say, a charity show run by Ron Fuller. It also opens roster spots up for WWF, which means plenty of room to hire disaffected NWA guys.
  • Finally, on to something not WWF: Chigusa Nagayo appears to be preparing to retire from All Japan Women. The promotion is planning a huge show in a baseball stadium to commemorate her retirement. Chigusa is easily the most popular and highest paid woman wrestler in the history of the business, and she’s only 23. The implications for All Japan Women are huge. They just had three other key retirements recently, including Devil Masami, Dump Matsumoto, and Yukari Omori. For big draws from their golden era of 1984-86, they only have Lioness Asuka left, and her popularity is significantly down from its 1985 peak. Surprisingly, it looks like AJW wants her gone just as much as she wants to be gone. Maybe she’s outgrown the company and become difficult to deal with, maybe the promotion doesn’t feel they need her enough that they need to submit to her demands. There’s also the fact that since she has had her peak popularity, the promotion is worried that keeping her as the main attraction will make the promotion look bad for being centered around a fading star (Dave gives examples like Dusty in the NWA, Inoki in New Japan, the original Sheik in Detroit, the Von Erichs in WCCW, Lawler in Memphis, etc.). Just as the Beauty Pair (Nancy Kumi and Jackie Sato) and Mimi Hagiwara gave way to the Crush Girls (Lioness Asuka and Chigusa Nagayo), so too must the Crush Girls give way to the next big stars, and AJW seems to want Yumiko Hotta and Mitsuko Nishiwaki to be the next major stars.
  • Chigusa leaving will be a big blow to AJW for a long while, but if they can get these new wrestlers over, they can build up again. The company and Chigusa both know that she can’t be on top forever and she has nowhere to go but down from being the top star of the women’s wrestling industry. Chigusa has numerous options available to her. She has a clothing company, can use her celebrity to do game shows, and could even gather wrestlers together and start her own promotion, as some of the speculation suggests. Dave spends a bit of time describing Japanese teen idol culture and concludes that it’s very fun to follow how it all works and how it intersects with wrestling. Anyway, this is all a bit premature and a false alarm (the part about Chigusa retiring - all the implications of what would happen upon her retirement is super interesting and important to consider). Chigusa will do a tour in the U.S. and Canada later this year and will return to AJW in the fall, before retiring for the first time in 1989 (she’ll unretire in 1993.
  • The June issue of Washington Monthly has a piece on commission regulation of pro wrestling. Mostly it kind of laughs at how wrestling is regulated currently. It’s written by the same guy who wrote the Penthouse piece on the Von Erichs that’s in development hell. That’s tentatively scheduled for the September issue now, by the way.
  • There were three shows in Oregon last weekend: Owen, Haynes, and McMahon. Haynes put on his championship tournament final and won that in front of a crowd, while Owen did a kids get in free gimmick and had Buddy Rose vs. the Assassin in a bullrope match to main event. WWF, however, drew their biggest crowd ever in Oregon on May 30, getting 7,500 people (Hogan never even cracked 5,000 in Portland).
  • Also, the advertised Hennig vs. DeBeers AWA title match in Salem Oregon on May 19 did not happen, as expected. Hennig was no longer champion and didn’t even show up, so they made a battle royal the main event. Matt Borne won. DeBeers claimed in an promo that “Verne Gagne has put economic sanctions on me.”
  • The IWGP Title is currently held up because of silliness involving Riki Choshu. The main event on May 27 was originally supposed to be Fujinami defending against Seiji Sakaguchi, but Riki Choshu complained and got inserted as challenger instead. The finish to the match, which to be clear was obviously a work due to the fact that Fujinami took his boot off, involved the ring breaking and Fujinami “spraining” his ankle. So Choshu attacks the ankle, Fujinami removes his boot and tries to fight on, but they stop the match and rule it a no contest. Choshu says that since it was an accident, he didn’t want to win the title that way, so the belt is held up until the June 24 show in Osaka.
  • Owen Hart also won the IWGP Jr. Heavyweight title on the same night. He’ll likely drop the title before the end of the tour, but he is scheduled for another tour in late August, which throws a wrench in Dave’s understanding of any plans he has vis a vis WWF.
  • Adrian Adonis is being cheered in New Japan. He was a big star here several years back and the fans still remember him. He’s definitely put on a lot of weight since those days, though, so the fans have also been pretty shocked by his physique.
  • Steve Williams is probably not going back to New Japan any time ever. He’s skipped out on too many tours and they weren’t happy about that.
  • UWF has announced their June 11 card. They’ve got Maeda vs. Takada in the main event and Kazuo Yamazaki vs. Norman Smiley. The show is already sold out (7,000 seats at a price of $28/ticket = $106,000). All Japan has a show in the same building a week earlier and tickets are selling slowly. UWF is trying to get Bob Backlund in against Maeda for their December show, but that’s conditional on getting Backlund to do the job. Good news from the future: Backlund will be on the show. We’ll get into the details and how plans change down the line.
  • Devil Masami came out of retirement for JWP’s May 28 show. JWP was going to fold on May 29, but they managed to draw 4,000 fans and are going to do occasional spot shows from here on out. Dave says those shows will be “promoted by the local mob” and that may or may not be snark, I’m honestly not sure.
  • No real news from All Japan Women beyond the Chigusa Nagayo situation. Retirement rumors are swirling, and Leilani Kai beat her in a non-title match on May 28, so it might be that they’re prepping Kai as her retirement match.
  • The lineup for the second NWA Clash of Champions has changed. Barry Windham will now be wrestling Brad Armstrong in what’s sure to be a fantastic match if it’s given time. TBS’s press release about the show gave Dusty the biggest bio (no surprise) which called him “one of the two biggest stars in professional wrestling today, along with Ric Flair.” Dave notes that Windham’s bio calls him the “frequent tag team partner of Lex Luger,” so obviously these are a touch dated. Clash shows are set for September 7 and December 7 as well.
  • [NWA] Jimmy Garvin did a great promo on the June 4 TBS show. He admitted he’s married to Precious and really heated up the rivalry with Kevin Sullivan. Dave thinks it’s no coincidence they’re doing this at the same time as Rick Rude is feuding with Jake Roberts over Jake’s wife. It’s a formula that gets over big.
  • NWA is putting a lot of hype into Luger vs. Flair at the Great American Bash, and it’s getting lots of buzz among fans. Most people Dave talks to think they might even put the title on Luger. Nothing’s certain yet, but they’re definitely doing good work in the build here.
  • [WWF] Islander Tama (Sam Fatu, aka Tonga Kid) has quit WWF. That leaves the islanders as Siva Afi and Haku, which really sucks because Tama and Haku worked really well together and Siva is… not great. Dave’s heard two stories here. One is that he was upset with his Wrestlemania paycheck and the other is that he was upset with how Sika was let go and the rest of the family put pressure on him to follow suit.
  • [WWF] At the Rochester, MN tapings on May 11, Vince apparently gave a speech about the evils of steroids. According to the speech, being on tv will make you larger than life and you won’t need steroids because you’re on tv. This all stems from an employee in some auditorium finding a needle and leftover steroids backstage after a WWF show and accidentally getting stuck by the needle and freaking out about potentially getting AIDS. Remember, kids, don’t share needles.
  • Terry Taylor is coming to the WWF to work as a babyface. I think he’s too chicken to try being a WWF heel.
  • There’s talk of WWF doing a feud between Cheryl Roberts and Raven. No, not Scott Levy. Cheryl is, of course, Jake Roberts’ wife. Raven is Rick Rude’s valet, played by his sister Nancy.
  • TV in Memphis to set up the June 6 Hennig vs. Lawler match was really hot. They had Hennig in studio making fun of a local car dealer and attacking him, then later demanding Lawler come out and when Lawler didn’t come out he destroyed the studio. Lawler only came out when Hennig threatened to beat the shit out of Lance Russell if Lawler didn’t come out by the count of 10. Of course, they kind of undercut some of the tension by having the Toyota dealer promise to refund the fans if Lawler doesn’t win on June 6.
  • WCCW’s Memorial Day card in Fort Worth drew roughly 1,500 (5,000 claimed on tv). That’s the biggest crowd they’ve had in a long time. Plans for Lawler to come work with Kerry Von Erich appear to be shelved - he’s coming in on June 17-19, but he’ll be working with Terry Taylor and Iceman King Parsons instead.
  • Makhan Singh is a heel and currently feuding with Kerry Brown in Stampede, but appears to be developing a cult following. He’s doing well on promos and he’s doing color commentary with Ed Whalen and a lot of folks feel like his work on the desk has significantly improved the show. So he’s developing a fanbase that quite likely will cheer for him. Can you believe that this guy winds up being Bastion Booger?
  • Dave gives a June 1 Continental match between Tom Prichard and Tony Anthony 4 stars. It was a 9 minute first blood match and Prichard bled first, but Danny Davis wiped the blood off him to keep the referee none the wiser.
  • In USA Wrestling, Doug Furnas almost won the Tennessee championship from Buddy Landel in a tv match, but Guerrero shenanigans kept the gold off him. Furnas won clean, but Hector Guerrero slipped a foreign object into Furnas’s trunks and told the ref, who reversed the decision promptly upon discovering the weapon. Guess we can see where Eddie got his ideas from.
Watch: Hector Guerrero lies, cheats, and steals
  • Over in Europe, Otto Wanz still reigns supreme. Scott Hall is over there right now working for him, and Wanz is defending his version of the world title against Bruiser Brody on July 9. Apparently he got Andre the Giant back in January and Andre did a job for him too. Well, it was December, and it was by countout, but yes.
Watch: Otto Wanz vs. Andre the Giant, December 1987
  • AWA is looking for a new booker. They fired Wahoo McDaniel and Ray Stevens for running their own independent show in Virginia without telling AWA about it. Just in case you thought Vince was the first promoter to not like his guys running their own shows.
  • Windy City Wrestling is holding a show on July 16 at DePaul University and they’re hoping to get Brody in to wrestle Nord the Barbarian in a cage match. Brody is already booked that weekend, though, so if he doesn’t come, it’s because he’ll be in Puerto Rico. He really should have picked Chicago that weekend.
  • There’s a really fascinating letter about the western Pennsylvania wrestling scene from the 1950s and into the 70s. They used to get tv from the International Amphithetre in Chicago featuring guys like Thesz, Gagne, Buddy Rogers, the Lisowskis, and others and the letter writer wonders if anyone still has the old film of those matches sitting on a shelf somewhere. They did, and there’s a youtube channel dedicated to all this old wrestling: The Chicago Film Archive. Anyway, by the late 50s, tv wrestling in Pittsburgh got taken over by a live studio show from Philadelphia every Saturday, but it wasn’t very good and then another promoter took over the tv there and you had guys like Waldo Von Erich, the Tolos Brothers, Ilio DePaolo, and others. Soon after, Toots Mondt (an associate of Vince McMahon Sr.) started romoting in the area and brought in the best of the NWA at the time - Argentina Rocca, Buddy Rogers, the Kangaroos, Haystacks Calhoun, Sweet Daddy Siki, and a young Bruno Sammartino. But the biggest star was the Crusher (Reggie Lisowski), who started heel and became even bigger when he turned face, and in his later years they tried turning him heel again to go against Bruno, but the feud died because his appeal was gone and turning him heel was a mistake (this is weirdly reminiscent of Steve Austin’s trajectory and the mistake of his heel turn, it feels like). When Bruno became the champ, that was shortly after WWWF broke off the NWA and the local shows started to die off as he went on tour, but the big shows still did well and there was still a surge of excitement and popularity. Big monthly shows in the local arena did well, but rarely sold out. Things went bad when Bruno dropped the title to Ivan Koloff and wrestling interest dropped significantly and it wasn’t until Bruno got the title back that things interest started rising again. It’s really remarkable how important a figure Bruno was in the western Pennsylvania scene at the time.
  • A writer asks Dave if he thinks Flair should consider jumping to WWF, and Dave responds. He says there’s a bigger chance of it happening now than at any previous point (not that he’s saying Flair will jump, just that the circumstances are most favorable to a jump right now), and that does make it an interesting question. If they wanted to, they could go all in on Flair and he’d be a big draw. But because Flair’s synonymous with the NWA, there’s a lot of ways they could sabotage that because of the egos at play and the need to show that they’ve been better than the NWA all along (see WWE and anything remotely WCW in the past 19 years). And some of the reasons they might convince themselves Flair wouldn’t get over with their audience are even valid: Flair thrives in long matches and WWF doesn’t really do those. He’s pushing 40, and that’s pretty old (ha!). So yeah, if Flair were to be the top of the card in WWF, that would feel to some like an admission that the NWA is on par with the WWF, and that won’t sit well with some of the suits with big egos. But at Flair’s age, a run with WWF to make the big bucks and work shorter matches is likely to have some appeal - he’s an old man in a young man’s game, and he’s got to know that. Well, let’s look at what Ric Flair had to say about the idea of being too old to do it and retirement, about 20 years later.
Watch: Ric Flair’s thoughts on being an old man in a young man’s game and retirement
  • Another letter asks Dave for some more information on his sources for the OWF debut and the World Class Texas Stadium show. Basically, some quibbles about attendance in the former, including asking for clarification on what Dave meant when he said the crowd had “a higher class of fan, similar to a WWF crowd.” In the case of the World Class stuff, the writer straight up disagrees on the quality of the latter and asks Dave to be more positive about WCCW for the sake of the business. Dave goes ahead and answers the challenge. He names the source for his claim on the “higher class of fan,” which he meant in terms of socioeconomic class: Mike Rodgers, who publishes the major newsletter on the region called Ring Around the Northwest. Rodgers has been following wrestling in the area enough to know what kinds of crowds different promotions draw in the area and Dave stands by Mike’s assessment. As for World Class, Dave had 21 letters from those who attended the show and all but four (and those four include this letter Dave is responding to) considered the show subpar, and Dave makes sure to clarify that he didn’t call it subpar, but that he reported fan reception as indicating it was subpar. Dave even called a contact who knows the regulars for WCCW’s shows in the area after getting this letter and asked him what people generally thought, and that contact also reported general disappointment. As to being more positive about WCCW, Dave gives credit where due (he was very positive on Michael Hayes as a booker), but the promotion is showing no signs of a turnaround. It’s loads better than it was when Fritz was still in charge, but they’re still flubbing basic business in so many ways and making terrible booking choices and Dave can’t just give them a pass for that. There’s also some stuff about WWF in here where the writer calls WWF fans idiots and claims nobody intelligent would pay to go to a WWF show, and Dave mentions that he has paid to go to WWF shows and finds them enjoyable as a social outing with friends, even if he’s not interested in their wrestling enough to go on his own. So yeah. Mostly included the stuff on this letter because it’s a peek behind the curtain of Dave’s contacts and how he gauged fan reactions back in the day.
  • Also, Percy Pringle is playing face and holding the mic for interviews on World Class tv now. Dave says his facial expressions are hilarious, and I’m demanding we get a Percy Pringle facial reactions subreddit and simp account like the Alexa Bliss one asap.
NEXT WEEK: NWA Blows Clash II advertising, Clash II review, Bodyslam movie review, Brother love coming to WWF, Summerslam announced, and more
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2020.11.18 18:24 Theweirdcatlady03 Skin Care: The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of a 25-year-old newbie skincare overenthusiast

Skin Care: The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of a 25-year-old newbie skincare overenthusiast


WINS

WNRP & FAILS
BACKSTORY RANT- (Just Because)
25-year-old, terribly acne prone since lockdown, with normal to dry skin. Having lived through my early twenties with glowing skin (with occasional period-induced pimples) despite using godforsaken shitty ass products on my face, my skin in 2020 decided it’s time to stand up and revolt. And revolt it did. Acne after acne kept popping up everywhere and my skin was uncompromising towards any peace negotiations. Just like the lockdown, I figured it’s a temporary situation and it’ll clear up by the summer, but the acne got worse, along with it, the acne marks! The marks refuse to budge to date, despite having used all below mentioned products. I’ve concluded to shift my efforts towards finding a good concealer instead (Too faced is the finalist, if anyone’s wondering). After an 8-month long siege, things have finally started to look up and I’ve jolted down the tricks & treats I’ve used to appease my skin, hopefully they continue working their slow working magic and is also of some help to y’all.
PART- I - REVIEWS – (What you actually came here to see)
  1. Holy Grail – I will buy you forever and I will love you always
  2. RP - Love it, but might jump if I find a better ship
- RP: Etude House - Soon Jung pH 6.5 Whip Cleanser: An expensive, yet wonderful find in my search for gentle cleansers. The foam is quite luxurious and hopefully my small face & the ‘lesser quantity consumed per wash’ justifies the price tag on this product. This did not break me out, neither did it cause my face to dry out, so it’s a win-win in my opinion.
- HG: Simple Refreshing Face wash: (Rant) My skin is a spoilt brat who refuses to acknowledge how broke we actually are and still wants all finer things in life. So, when I saw my skin being chummy with a ‘not so expensive’ product, guys, "Chills. literal chills". (Review) It lathers real well for a soap free formula and I’ve been using this as a morning wash. It again does not break me out, and surprisingly is even less drying than Soon Jung. So, win-god-damn-win.
- HG: Bioderma Sensibio (pink) Micellar solution: This product was my first step towards redemption. I started using this after being fear mongered (Is that a word?) into using sunscreen indoors and after my brief stints with Garnier and Nivea solutions which went south, I found solace here. Though I abandoned wearing sunscreen indoors, continuing to use this as my first step in the evening routine MAJORLY helped reduce my spread of acne. The bottle dispenses drop by drop which is another reason I love it (Hell I ain’t going through 1 cotton pad a day, what a terrible environmental footprint!) I spread it using my hands and massage my face, wash it off with water immediately after, following it up with Soon Jung.
- HG: Avene Thermal Spring Water: LIKE WHY you gotta be so expensive. I honestly don’t know if it’s the placebo effect or it’s indeed a miracle in a bottle, but boy does it calm my skin down or what! It has been super helpful in targeting acne redness in particular. Imo it’s a great add on hydrating product if you can afford it (Which I can’t, but remember my being spoilt rant?)
- HG: Cosrx Advanced Snail 92 All in one Cream: I was on a lookout for a fuss free, no active moisturizer and this had the added bonus of renowned Snail Mucin as well, and it did not disappoint. This product shares the stage with others for reducing my acne spread and redness. It’s quite gooey and takes 15-20 minutes to absorb. After using spot treatments, my skin was looking slightly dry & parched, but with consistent use of this product I went back to my ‘Normal’ skin glory days. Little goes a long way is an understatement here since I’ve been using it for 3-4 months and 80% of it is still remaining. It’s my go to product in times of distress, aka, every other day.
- HG: Sebamed Clear Face Care Gel: If I had to pick one among all the products I share today, this would be my obvious choice. It spreads like water, disappears into the skin and leaves it moisturized the whole day, though not quite enough for the night. This has been a constant during my acne battle and it’s always managed to not aggravate the situation at hand (Which I consider a win)
(Amateur TIP) After washing my face in the morning, I air-dry it instead of wiping the water off and then I spray the Avene Spring water, air-dry again and before it’s completely dry, I apply the Sebamed care gel. As silly as it sounds, this, along with double cleansing at night has been a GAME CHANGER for me. I really can’t vouch if the same might work for you, but if you’ve exhausted every other option, no harm in giving this a shot!
- RP: Klair’s Freshly Juiced Vitamin C drops: This is my first ever Vitamin C product and needless to say, it wasn’t all rainbows and unicorns as I expected. But it manages to make my skin look radiant the next day, though it turns back into a pumpkin the day after. Why it’s an RP: 1. Surprisingly, it never broke me out, neither did it aggravate existing acne. 2. Lack of replacements. This bottle in 35ml and I’ve had it in the refrigerator for 4 months and only 30% of it is used + it’s still crystal clear. If y’all have any suggestions for another stable Vitamin C that lasts quite a while and helps reduce dark spots (Klair’s does NOTHING in that Department mind you), do let me know! I’m all ears.
Other Honorable Mentions: I use OTC spot treatments and they were helpful in reducing the severity of existing acne, but did not prevent new ones from popping up. I’m not sure if I can name them since they require prescription, although the main ingredients in them are adapalene, Benzoyl Peroxide & Clindamycin and Nadifloxacin.
- RP: Sebamed Lip Defence SPF 30: It’s not quite moisturizing enough and the only advantages are that it’s fragrance free and the SPF. It’s a fuss free, re-apply a bunch of times a day sort of lip balm.
- HG: Juicy Chemistry Blood Orange & Rosehip Lip Balm: I’ve been renouncing all Indie brands (You’ll realize why as you keep reading), but this one, is honestly a keeper. No, it did not “lighten my pigmented lips” and neither did I expect a topical product to alter my genes. It moisturized my chapped & peeling dry lips really well and little did go a long way (6 months!)
PART – II MINI REVIEWS (What keeps me up at night)
  1. WNRP- “You’re Fired”!
  2. FAIL – Toxic relationships that gave me trust issues
RANT – Indie Brand Victim
I, among plenty others, was also a victim of home-grown brands and their propaganda. I discovered the threads here, ousting them, a little too late and by then I had already emptied my wallet to their bank accounts. Their online BS of “Support us cause we’re local” did not ease my frustration, neither do I consider it water under the bridge. Since it wasn’t just the toll it took on my skin, but also the money down the drain to buy products to fix that damage. Saying that they and their group of influencers gave me trust issues is an understatement. It infuriated me and continues to do so to this very day.
- FAIL: Earth Rhythm Phyto Gel: Calming & soothing? My foot! It gave such burning sensation on the skin and to the eyes on application and it tingles for 15-20 minutes straight. I broke out the very next day as well. It’s now sitting in a corner of my shelf, looking all cute. I mean what’s the point of their Eco-Friendly packaging if what’s being packed is crap?
- FAIL: Earth Rhythm Phyto-Fuse multivitamin Moisturizer: This product came with a long list of promises and ended up turning me into Eloise Midgens (Inside joke at my expense for the potterheads). God forbid, I wouldn’t recommend this even to my enemies.
- FAIL: Earth Rhythm Daily Defence Mineral Sun fluid SPF 30: This one wasn’t half as bad as the other two, but within a month, the product consistency became so compromised that I didn’t dare use it again. I also mailed them asking for the % of ZO & TD used, since a 40% claim was insane considering it had no white cast. To which they responded saying they’ve used ‘naturally occurring minerals’ and all I did was thank my stars, since I didn’t step out wearing this and cause any sun damage.
- FAIL: Juicy Chemistry Kakadu Plum Facial Oil: What a hefty price tag for a product that does absolutely nothing! Daily night time use of this oil clogged my pores and led to more acne. I fell for the “natural is better” propaganda too. Welcome to my pity party.
- FAIL: Vilvah Cold Pressed Organic Rosehip Oil: Needless to say, it broke me out. No, it didn’t do jack shit for my hyper-pigmentation and Yes, it triggered plenty of acne that left PIH which remains to the day. I wish someone held an intervention for me back then.
- FAIL: Juicy Chemistry Saffron and Raspberry Oil: Any guesses? By now, my frustration towards these products must be quite evident. Now even if you offer them to me for free, I will run faster than Severus Snape confronted with a shampoo. Also, you guessed it right, this also broke me out. Plus, it stinks if that counts for something.
- FAIL: Vilvah Aloe Vera gel: Sucked all moisture out of my skin like a vacuum cleaner. Though I wouldn’t say it’s the product’s fault, aloe vera just isn’t for me, I guess.
- FAIL: Vilvah Sweet Almond Oil: On my hair, it’s excellent. On my skin, it wreaked havoc.
- FAIL: Dermitecture Niacinamide 10%: After a couple of months of acting like the USA, I decided to focus less on oil and more on actives. Despite using this for 3 weeks, it did absolutely nothing for my skin. I’m now starting to think it’s just rosewater in a bottle.
- FAIL: Dermitecture Lactic Acid 10%: As someone who never had blackheads till then or since, it’s safe to assume that it’s this product which caused new blackheads to form under my eye. Haven’t used it on my face ever since.
- FAIL: Vilvah Honey Fix Face Wash: Broke me out in the 2nd week and been using it as a hand wash ever since. Pleasant smell though.
- FAIL: The Face Shop Rice Water Bright Cleansing Foam: It may suit the oily skin lot, but too drying and stripping for my normal to Dry skin. Though it never broke me out.
- WNRP: Acwell Licorice Cleansing Toner: It didn’t do any damage, so I don’t hate it. But I don’t love it either. Though it’s a cult favorite, there is no noticeable brightening, neither are my dark spots fading any more than usual.
- WNRP: Tvaksh Face Care Face Wash: Quite impressive gentle formula that does not dry my skin out, but lathers very well. My dermatologist recommended this a couple of years back and I’ve been using it ever since. Since it didn’t particularly prevent my breakouts from happening, I decided to switch it out, but nothing against the product. It served me well for many years.
- WNRP: Tvaksh Acne Wash: Another derm suggestion, but this one was slightly stripping on the skin and it didn’t help with the acne either, despite having Salicylic Acid in it. I decided to stick to double cleansing with Micellar Water & a gentle cleanser instead of using just 1 strong cleanser.
- WNRP: Sunban Soft SPF 50+: This derm recommendation would’ve earned an RP, since the white cast is minimal and it does not aggravate my acne. But the piling with this one is absurd! And thus, it didn’t make the cut.
- WNRP: Neutrogena Sheer Zinc SPF 50+: After my little sister asked if I’m getting ready for a mime, this has been my dedicated feet sunscreen.
- WNRP: Episoft AC Moisturizer SPF 30: This has such water like consistency and gets absorbed in under 5 minutes. Seemed like the perfect candidate to carry out the 3 finger rule. Honestly, I’m hoping for someone here to change my mind about a red flag which made me stop using it. 2 days after the product arrived, I came across articles which described the horrendous consequences of Benzophenone in skin care products and I’ve been hesitant to use it ever since! Even Incidecoder backed the claims and there went the neighborhood!
PS: I recently purchased Wishtrend 5% Mandelic Acid and Purito Comfy Water Sun Block, though I’m yet to try those out. Will try and add them to the review thread once I’ve used it for a couple of weeks!

Apologies for dragging this thing out, I was the hated nerd kid in school who always took extra sheets during exams. Hope this is helpful for someone out there. Kirk Out.
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2020.11.16 15:35 corvus2 Emotional abuse because I needed to avoid being homeless

Definitely a long, long, story. But it’s too complicated to shorten, I tried. I’ll try to be as clear as possible. Content warning for drugs and alcohol, suic*de threats, abusive behaviors. If those things deeply bother you please don’t read this whole thing. I deliberately don’t go into extreme detail but it IS mentioned in there.
Location: USA
People involved :
Me - late twenties male
A - late twenties woman
B - late twenties male
E - early twenties woman
C - late twenties woman
Beginning:
at the end of 2019 I was forced to make a hard decision about whether to stay at the job I had then. I’d had surgery, it was planned and announced to my job months ahead of time so that everything, all the paperwork and insurance stuff and medical leave could be sorted out well before the actual surgery. Well, surgery day comes around. It goes fine. I’m just recovering while a friend helps take care of me for the first couple of weeks til I can start taking care of myself again(mostly). Problem is, I was supposed to have gotten a paycheck from my jobs short term disability policy, and it wasn’t showing up even after a few weeks. So I call the insurance company. I give my info and ask why I haven’t gotten my payment. They look me up and say oh sir it’s because we haven’t received some of the paperwork we need to finalize things and send out the payment. I’m very confused obviously because all of this was supposed to be done months ago, and I’d done everything HR at work had told me to do. I hadn’t gotten any further communication from HR that there was anything left to do on my side.
So I’m stressed out and pissed off at HR because they didn’t do their job. I’m out of work for at least 2 months while I heal and have no income. I HAVE TO get this payment. I hurriedly sent in what the insurance company said was missing and I told HR what they said. HR acts like it’s no big deal. But I end up waiting WEEKS after that point (I had already been out of work for a few weeks) for that stuff to process before I finally get the payment. Because of that I had to use a credit card to pay my bills for months and I got behind on everything and racked up debt. So even once the payment came I was in a bad spot. I was forced to consider whether I wanted to stay with that company after the TERRIBLE way they handled things and the position they put me in and the fact that they were completely unapologetic about it. The job wasn’t really great in the first place, it put me under so much strain I was seriously concerned for myself and debating if I needed to turn myself into a hospital if my mental state got any worse. so this was the final straw. I ended up resigning. And looking for work elsewhere.
I did LYFT while I job searched and did any side jobs I could find that weren’t too physical because I wasn’t really feeling up to that. I wasn’t just sitting around doing nothing. But it wasn’t a lot of income either. My roommate at the time knew these things. I was very honest and apologetic about it all. I totally understand that rent has to be paid. It wasn’t exactly a fun situation for me to be in either. I had car payments to keep up with under the threat of repo. I was depressed as hell over the whole thing and felt incredibly guilty but I kept that bit to myself because I didn’t want them to feel like I was trying to tell them a sob story, and just swore I was working on getting them anything I owed as quickly as possible.
But, they were not satisfied with that and instead of talking to me about it they didn’t say a word, didn’t try to have a conversation, they just waited quietly and then one day sprung on me that if I didn’t agree to give them everything I owed by a date a couple weeks away they were going to have the landlord start the process to evict me RIGHT THEN that day. Now, an eviction stays on your rental history a long time and it makes it very hard to rent again. I had nowhere else to go. And finding a place to live in a couple weeks when you don’t have any money is impossible. Still, there was nothing I could do. I told them again that if I had the money right then I’d give it to them. But there’s no way I can just make the money appear and that if they throw me out they won’t get the money because they’ll just be putting me in an even more horrible position and I DEFINITELY won’t be able to afford paying them back. Mind you, I never brought up the fact that they 1) had an entire support system I didn’t have including family, friends and a long term partner 2) had far more income than I did even before I resigned from my full time job and could afford things while I paid them back whereas I could barely buy food atm. They didn’t seem to give a damn that what was genuinely just an inconvenience for them, was a life altering situation for me. But still I stayed INCREDIBLY polite because I didn’t want to be an asshole and was really just trapped in horrible circumstances and WANTED to and was actively working on paying them back. I don’t fault them for wanting the money, but I absolutely resent them for HOW they handled it and how they spoke to me once they announced I had to leave.
On to the next part;
So, I was forced out of the place. I barely managed by pure luck to find somebody who was willing to let me stay in their house for free ( I had NO money) while I got back on my feet after I told them my whole situation. The surgery, my jobs horrible handling of things, the debt from having no income, and my roommates last minute ultimatum. They messaged me one day and said basically “hey, we have two extra rooms in the house, our rent is already paid every month. You can stay with us. You don’t have to pay because we don’t need the money and you don’t need to worry about it, just focus on getting back on your feet.” Now when this friend, we’ll call them A, reached out to me, it was completely their idea to have me stay with them. I hadn’t approached them asking to stay there. We didn’t lay down any terms other than “as soon as I get a full time job and catch up on my bills and credit card debt I’ll start paying rent.” They agreed. I was too desperate and grateful to not have to sleep in my car. I just accepted their offer and said thank you so much.
In the new house, was “A” and their partner “B”. B had a pretty well paying job. Well paying enough that for most of their relationship B was paying for most things. Including, the entire rent on the house. “A” paid for their own car payment, insurance and their weed and entertainment type things. The second important bit of context is that A and B had an open relationship on the grounds of; honesty and appropriate communication, safety and respect. This is not a slight against them, just context. Whatever works for a relationship works. Not my concern.
So I quickly hauled my stuff out of the old place (old roommate was messaging me every day of the two weeks they gave me demanding I get my things out so they could move the new person in) and got moved in to the new house. This was at the very end of 2019/ very beginning of 2020. The extreme anxiety and depression I had been feeling the last few months eased a bit and I kept looking for full time work. Unfortunately, Covid happened soon after and made the already difficult task of finding work even harder.
But I kept applying everywhere. And in the meantime kept doing lyft and grocery delivery. I wasn’t paying money, as they told me I did not have to, even said they wanted me to pay back my debt before paying rent, but I was making sure I was respectful. I’m not a messy person in the first place, and I don’t do much in the way of social things like partying. I don’t drink or smoke. I play video games and take care of my plants and read and sleep and go on lots of walks and workout. I am a very not in your face roommate. I do my own thing. I helped “A” all the time with household projects like painting/gardening/etc. Watched their dog for them when they weren’t home. Things like that.
Problem was, “A” started showing a different side to themselves than what I first saw when we became friends once I moved in. While Covid was ongoing, they were still having multiple people over to the house almost every day. Myself and “B” voiced concern over this. “A” treated it like a joke and continued to constantly have people over. Told us we were being unreasonable and that they “have to have friends over because being alone makes their anxiety too bad and makes them want to k*ll themself” so we’d have to deal with it because “it’s for their mental health”
“A” continuously flirted with me and hit on me. I tend to be somewhat relaxed about these sort of things but I still have a limit and boundaries. I joked around about it at first. But the flirting and “jokes” then got much more intense and frequent til I was uncomfortable because it no longer felt like joking. I’m an affectionate person and I don’t necessarily hate physical affection as long as I feel like the person understands and respects my boundaries. I like hugs and I like cuddling if I’m close with someone (but we have to be pretty close friends). It can’t feel creepy. And there's a difference between affectionate and sexual. It started to feel creepy. And I didn’t know how to voice that I was now uncomfortable when I was ok with it originally. The whole vibe changed. And I was afraid to say I wasn’t comfortable with them anymore because I was staying in their house. They would literally sit beside me on the couch and at first they’d just be laying their head on my lap watching tv, and suddenly they’d have their hand up my shorts practically on my a** cheek/crotch. Things like that. They’d invite themselves into my bedroom all the time. I’d be laying in bed sleeping and they’d just come in and get in bed with me and be like “I want to cuddle”. But, I don’t like when people just invite themselves to be physically close to me? I tried to get them to back off, politely. Didn’t really work. But I didn’t want to flip out on them and be like “hey get the hell off me all the time” because again, I was staying in their house and had nowhere to go.
At one point I had admitted attraction to a mutual friend (but also said I WAS NOT going to act on it or tell her because I value her friendship AND she has a boyfriend) it seemed to set “A” off. A started making remarks about it constantly. “Joking” about how I was just waiting for a chance to sleep with that friend and we were only friends because “she’s hot” (absolutely not, she’s a lovely person and good friends are so hard to find) I regretted confiding in A. I asked A to stop, told them that I found it insulting to that friend and I both and that I’d told them that in confidence because sometimes you just need to safely talk about your feelings. They said they were just joking and to lighten up.
“A” also started a sexual relationship with someone, we’ll call them “C” who was in a MONOGAMOUS relationship. “A” knew “C” was in a monogamous relationship and knew C’s partner would NOT be okay with this and that it would be cheating. “A” didn’t care and even laughed about it all the time. When I found out about this (because I walked upstairs to go in my room and heard them very loudly and clearly fucking in the other empty room upstairs) I was pissed. I don’t fuck with cheating and if I know about it I’ll call it out. But I waited til C left and I asked A about it they tried to lie til I said I’d caught them in the act. Then they just went oh well and acted like it was no big deal. I didn’t bring it up again because they clearly didn’t care. I just decided this friendship had run its course. Unfortunately, I was stuck living there til I could afford to move and find another place. I tried to keep my head down. And it only got worse.
They also started ramping up how much they were drinking and smoking. Now, before I moved in I’d previously told them I don’t drink smoke or party. And that I don’t really mind others doing so but when it comes to the place I’m living I can’t handle that stuff happening there constantly or to an extreme. I have genuine past trauma from those things which I why I tell people about it. It triggers really terrible episodes and flashbacks and panic attacks if it gets bad enough. Not fun for me or anyone around me. At first they had a drink here and there and they smoked weed regularly but they weren’t constantly high as sh*t. Didn’t bother me. Then they got to the point where they were getting just absolutely wasted, a lot. And being high as hell every day. I saw them sober maybe a few hours a week? If that. On top of that, the number of people at the house went from a friend here and there to every single day there’s someone or multiple someone’s in the house, staying the night too. I’d get up at night to pee and run into random men and it was fucking my anxiety up terribly because I have deep PTSD involving men and drinking (my father was an abusive alcoholic) so having drunk strangers in the house all the time messed my nerves up bad. On top of that, I couldn’t get any sleep because the house was constantly in party mode and they were loud as hell day and night.
I told them I was having trouble with these activities. Didn’t tell them they couldn’t do it at all of course, but I did voice that it was genuinely affecting my health and asked if they could reduce it, or just go hang out/party at their friends places instead of ALWAYS doing it here. I said it in the most respectful way I could, because I did consider them a friend and I was just grateful to have somewhere to live but I also didn’t want to live somewhere that was making me miserable. I repeatedly told them that they were being very loud and that I hadn’t slept well in WEEKS. They didn’t change their behavior one bit. All this time, I was still job searching and doing gigs to make whatever money I could to catch up on my bills. I kept the upstairs bathroom clean (they had a second bathroom downstairs in the master bedroom that they used). I always cleaned the kitchen whenever I cooked. I was hardly ever in the living room downstairs because my room was upstairs and I had a computer and tv. We’d hang out together sure but if I was just doing my own thing I was upstairs. I really wasn’t in the way or asking much just that I wanted some sleep and asked them to cool it on constantly having loud drunk hangouts in the house (during a pandemic to add to the stress of it) .
This pissed them off. And I mean they started GOING OFF ON ME. Told me I was ridiculous and I was trying to control their life and that I couldn’t tell them what to do. Yelled at me. Sent me nasty texts. Slammed doors in the house when they’d get mad. Talked about me behind my back to mutual friends. Called me lazy and twisted the whole story around and put me in the worst light possible so that by the end I just looked like a lazy asshole freeloader camping out in their house and trashing it. I NEVER messed the house up. I’m almost neurotic about cleanliness. I was so damn confused. They invited me there and explicitly stated I didn’t have to pay yet because they understood I had no money and their rent was already covered. That was our agreement from the beginning. But now they’re telling everyone I’m a terrible friend and a freeloader?
All of this was coming from “A” not from their partner “B” who was the one paying the houses bills. “B” was pretty cool with me. “B” broke up with “A” right before I moved out because they said they were tired of “A” not contributing to the relationship and to the household (referring to times before I moved in and after) They felt fine with paying more because they made more but were tired of paying for almost everything while “A” just partied smoked and looked for hookups all the time. They were also tired of the way “A” talks to people and handles conflict. They said “A” was always yelling at them (Which I had witnessed)and they can never have actual conversations, and they were tired of being berated by their partner and not having any of their concerns listened to. B even told me there were times they were afraid “A” was going to hit them because of how aggressive they got. B moved out right before me. After I moved out B even apologized to me for A’s behavior. They told me they felt awful about how “A” started treating me. They told me they’d had an issue with “A’s” behavior for a while now but didn’t know what to do as they’d been together for long enough that they felt like they’d be an asshole for breaking up with them. Yeah, they were sick of paying for everything. But the main issue was that while they had grown up and were paying for everything and worrying about all the bills, working full time, and going to school to get a masters degree, “A” was just acting exactly the same as they were years ago when they first got together and making no changes to their life while constantly complaining about their life. With the way A’s behavior was getting drastically worse over the last few months B said they just couldn’t take it anymore and gave up on the relationship. They said they were afraid people wouldn’t believe them if they tried telling people how “A” acted. I told them it’s not being an asshole to walk away when you’ve given someone multiple notices that they need to work on their behavior and they haven’t changed.
A is very manipulative though. And hypocritical. Everything you do that isn’t you wholeheartedly agreeing with them becomes you “disrespecting” them. If you tell them something they’ve done hurt you, they immediately spin out and start talking about how you’re “trying to control them” and then they go on about how much of an asshole you’re being. Until you’re too worn out to argue. And you will NEVER get an apology from them. They did this to me and B repeatedly.
We had a situation with a mutual friend, “E”. E did something stupid (though it did not very directly affect me or A) and that I definitely didn’t agree with, and I made it VERY clear to this mutual friend, “E”, that it was fucked up behavior even if it was a one time mistake and that if we were going to be friends still she could NOT fuck up like that again. We had a deep and sincere conversation about it. About why the behavior was messed up, I asked her why she did it, why she didn’t stop herself and think about what she was doing. I told her that I was also worried about her because acting like that is generally a sign something is off and I didn’t want to see her hurt herself or others.. She admitted to the fuck up and agreed to not repeat that behavior. She took a few days and came back to me and told me that she realized the shit she pulled was her avoiding other things she's unhappy with instead of seeking to solve those problems. I suggested therapy. I knew I’d cut the friendship if it occurred again and gave her the chance to PROVE that she’s capable of doing better. She proved herself to my satisfaction and I’m not a vindictive person or petty in any way and I mean it when I say I’ll let something go if the behavior is changed and doesn't repeat. She corrected herself, and I didn’t bring it up again. “A” on the other hand decided she wasn’t ok with E anymore, which is A’s right. But instead of just making a decision to cut the friendship after expressing her feelings about it and then leaving it, “A” proceeded to go around constantly telling everyone, even people who didn’t know E, about it and talk about her and just trash her at every given chance. Which is just really immature behavior to me and not a productive way of handling things. “A” cyber stalked E’s boyfriend even, they seemed desperate to have things to hold over E and have something to talk about. This thing E did was basically a less awful version of something “A” did REPEATEDLY that they refused to ever admit was bad. So their reaction to it was… laughable.
By the time I left, A was pretty much talking shit about me every day. Including talking about me behind my back to our friend E before they stopped being friends.. I had a full time job by that point and was just about caught back up to where I could start paying them to stay there. But it was so toxic in that house that I announced I couldn’t be there any longer and was looking for a new place. They had about 2 months notice that I would be leaving. And this was before B broke up with them so at that point rent wouldn’t even change for them once I left because B was paying it all. Later the breakup happened and B announced he was leaving. I was already committed to leaving by then. “A” starts flipping out saying what am I gonna do I don’t have any money and can’t pay the rent here?! B and I both pretty much said, well, you haven’t had to pay rent in a long time, and haven't tried to save any money ONCE despite your friend and partner (in this case it was a years long issue of them never saving money) both telling you they were concerned about you having no financial plans. When “A” got their stimulus check for covid, I told them to stash that money since they didn’t need it and save it for important things. They did not do that. They spent hundreds on weed and alcohol and random crafts and purchasing “projects” that they then wouldn’t finish. So I really couldn’t feel bad about them freaking out about rent then. It sort of felt like.. You had so many opportunities to prepare yourself for life, a partner and family who were supporting you. You had a chance to grow up and you refused. And now you’re in a bad spot which is completely your own fault. But I had terrible luck and experienced a shit turn of events that put me in poverty and desperation and you can’t get enough of telling me and others how lazy and stupid and bad I am? I told “A” I hope they figure it out, but I absolutely could not stay there and I had told them months ago I was looking for a new place so I won’t be staying.
I had more than once expressed my concern for A’s well-being btw. I attempted having a heartfelt conversation with A about their behavior. I asked them if they were okay. I told them that I’d seen these behaviors before I’ve watched people crash and burn. I told them that I felt they needed help. Nothing got through to them and it seemed to only make the way they treated me worse so I stopped.
So, I moved out, B moved out. A few months went by and I wasn’t in contact with A any more. I didn’t flip out on them or say anything horrible to them when I left, though it would have been honest, I just told them I had to take care of my mental health and wasn't doing well so I needed to move out.That being said, about a week ago I got a DM from them, all it said was “Call me”. Now, I work full time, nights, and sleep during the day. When I’m not working my regular job, I’m working on side gigs, sleeping, taking care of my cat, working on my car, working out, focusing on my mental health, etc. I’m really trying to get better mentally, physically, and fiscally. I’ve had a rough ass life and I just want to grow and reach my goals. So I’ve been keeping to myself. I saw the “call me” message, but I was busy and I forgot to respond. A day later, “A” DM’s me again. Saying they have mail for me that went to my old place. I’ve been gone for months, and already did a change of address. So I figured it was probably just junk but I still wanted it to make sure. I apologized for not responding immediately and even told them how busy I was and how much I had on my mind. Problem was, they DM’d me as I was already in bed and falling asleep. So I didn’t finish the convo. When I woke up I had to go workout and cook dinner and get ready for work so I again wasn’t thinking about the message. They DM me again saying “well since you couldn’t be bothered to respond it’s all been trashed. I was floored. I responded “uhm hey I fell asleep and I got busy. But ok.” I wasn’t interested in being subjected to another one of their tantrums and just wanted them to go away since they just said they already threw my stuff out. But they continued to message me about how I’m being disrespectful of their time and not responding in 36 hours is so ridiculous and I choose who I do and don’t respond to and on and on until I was just like jesus christ okay it was SOME MAIL AND WE’RE BOTH FULL ASS ADULTS WITH WHOLE LIVES 36 HOURS IS NOT ABSURD. I said “I have to go to work” and tell them to have a good night. They still keep going. I block them.
And that was the story of how I endured emotional abuse, guilt tripping, and constant aggression and manipulation all because I didn’t want to be homeless and accepted help offered to me freely. I’m still hurt by the way this supposed friend turned on me. And I needed to tell that story in its entirety because I’m tired of carrying it with me. The whole thing made me feel so horrible about myself and made me really lose faith in friendships. Especially since I've never had very close family so my friendships have been deeply deeply important to me.
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Submission As someone who used to be a JW, please help this gain more attention
Comments As someone who used to be a JW, please help this gain more attention
Author UnsettlingAura
Subreddit /iamatotalpieceofshit
Posted On Fri Nov 13 18:02:26 UTC 2020
Score 2535 as of Sun Nov 15 18:00:55 UTC 2020
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n/a - not a self post

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Author Jouzu
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:24:39 UTC 2020
Score 19 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:08 UTC 2020
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Yep, they are eagerly awaiting the killing of 99.9% of humankind, only they will survive Armageddon. The birds will eat the flesh of the unbelievers I think, heck of a clean up job otherwise... Imagine the immense joy of washing through piles of dead kids, yeah, that is whatJWs hope for.
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Author kiwi_scorpio
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:50:45 UTC 2020
Score 150 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:10 UTC 2020
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I'm a nurse here in New Zealand and if a pregnant JW has to have a caesarean section we have to set up a special suction unit called a cell saver. We suction up their blood as they proceed with the surgery and it gets filtered and put back into the patient. I've also been in situations where a JW has said to the doctor in front of their family members that they don't want blood, but as soon as they are away from their family members they let the doctor know that in fact they will have whatever will save their life.
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Author sactownox22
Posted On Fri Nov 13 20:51:30 UTC 2020
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So, only 1.7% of the google-estimated total of 8.4 millionJWs worldwide get to the promised land? That is some stiff competition.
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Author Havamar
Posted On Sat Nov 14 00:06:57 UTC 2020
Score 25 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:13 UTC 2020
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It's self-reported as "only they will know". They only have 144,000 seats in heaven available. The rest of the plebs are going to live forever on a paradise earth, after they clean up the 8 billion bodies after God kills everyone that isn't a JW at "Armageddon".
Any time I ever saw any "annointed" the other church members were talking behind their backs saying that they didn't really think they were.
It's kinda funny, and an oddly brutal belief system.
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Author arrian-
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:43:20 UTC 2020
Score 187 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:17 UTC 2020
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well its not only with childbirth, theJW's have highlighted cases where children who need blood transfusions to live were taught to reject them by their parents because its "disrespectful to god"
their whole blood doctrine is complete bullshit, they say that you can't use blood because it represents life and if you *eat* blood you're disrespecting God's authority and disrespecting life. Which makes no sense, because if you respected life you'd give someone a blood transfusion if they needed it to live.
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Author YouDontKnowMe2017
Posted On Sat Nov 14 00:37:50 UTC 2020
Score 13 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:18 UTC 2020
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They’re pieces of shit: https://www.npr.org/2020/01/09/795019348/montana-court-reverses-35-million-child-abuse-verdict-against-`jehovahs-witnesses`
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Author Vorian23
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:59:51 UTC 2020
Score 15 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:18 UTC 2020
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That’s exactly what they do https://freedomofmind.com/the-bite-model-and-`jehovahs-witnesses`/
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Author cookingismything
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:15:42 UTC 2020
Score 30 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:19 UTC 2020
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I was never a JW but my husband was raised in the religion. My gut is saying the answer to your question is pretty simple. THEY DO NOT EVER WANT TO INVOLVE THE POLICE. You see, they take care of any little issues themselves. If there is a problem, you reach out to an elder or elders (those are the respected male leaders of their congregation) and they are so wide that they will know what to do. I’m so sorry for this young girl. My husband knows so many that have killed themselves because of this cult
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Author madgraffics
Posted On Fri Nov 13 20:12:52 UTC 2020
Score 248 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:20 UTC 2020
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Is your mom my mom? I got raised in that shit and my abuser was found guilty in a court of law but not disfellowshipped but my mom still thinks this is the end all b e all of religions (:

Edit: meant to put not not now
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Author U-Cranium
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:38:37 UTC 2020
Score 211 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:25 UTC 2020
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Not only this, Jehovah's Witness have a book they produce that's full of pictures of kids and stories of how they bravely chose to die instead of accept a transfusion. Fucking disgusting cult,happy I got out
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Author wanderingwomb
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:59:24 UTC 2020
Score 170 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:28 UTC 2020
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Knowing the cult I’m willing to bet after gaslighting her that it was consensual they then disfellowshipped her for having sex outside of marriage.
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Author sashay33
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:33:45 UTC 2020
Score 8 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:29 UTC 2020
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exjw is a wealth of info
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Author LurkerTryingToTalk
Posted On Sat Nov 14 00:24:58 UTC 2020
Score 18 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:31 UTC 2020
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Freemasons describe their organization as a society with secrets, not a secret society.
Their buildings are not hidden, people are proud to be members and let people know. They mostly just do community service and stupid rituals. You can look up all their rituals online and they've been known for ages.
Fun fact, the Boy Scouts was started by Freemasons based on their principles as a sort of youth division.
Jehovah Witnesses are totally crazy.
Freemasons are mostly OK. In the UK you don't have to believe in a god to join but you do in the USA. Freemasons existed long before Jehovah Witnesses.
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Author razzyboss1
Posted On Sat Nov 14 00:34:31 UTC 2020
Score 31 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:31 UTC 2020
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Yep definetly. My grandma (a JW) needed a blood transfusion during her surgery and a fucking JW president or something from her "church" insisted he'd be in the room to make sure she won't get a blood transfusion. Luckily the doctor didn't allow him and we had to (i'll probably get backlash for this but fuck it, might as well be honest) bribe the doctor to make sure he will do whatever is necessary to keep her safe. Fortunately the surgery was a success and she is doing much better now in case you're wondering!
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Author jaffakree83
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:37:36 UTC 2020
Score 57 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:34 UTC 2020
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Heh, my dad busted out the Bible and got into a religious debate with a JW and they never came around again.
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Author firegato
Posted On Fri Nov 13 23:44:18 UTC 2020
Score 82 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:35 UTC 2020
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Hold up. Jesus was like: "yo this wine is like my blood and shit. Pass it around and drink it." so... (I know dogma doesn't have to make sense) how in the F you gonna, through conjecture, arrive at such a Ludacris conclusion?JWs make up silly rules, that's why I'm glad I left that organization.
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Author brb_on_a_quest
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:23:54 UTC 2020
Score 23 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:36 UTC 2020
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Ex-jw here also. Am disfellowshipped. I wish I could say this shit surprised me, but it’s par for the course. I think the JW’s are generally considered a joke, but it’s a dangerous and damaging cult.
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Author BooceAlmighty
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:11:21 UTC 2020
Score 14 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:37 UTC 2020
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It's always super old guys with the Jehovah's Witnesses in my area who've been going door to door. Except for the one time they started sending REALLY pretty girls together with an old man waiting nearby.
That was the only time I've purposely answered the door for Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Author ByCrookedSteps781
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:25:38 UTC 2020
Score 29 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:37 UTC 2020
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I would gladly beat the fuck outta that peice of shit, I used to be part of it till 5 or 6 untill my mum got disfellowshipped as a result of them finding out she had me out of wedlock, all it taught me was how much hypocrisy religion spews out. 28 years later my aunty who grew up JW and left after her marriage broke down only to become a lesbian hippy, all of a sudden decides she is no longer lesbian, renounces her former life and goes back to the church. Life is a weird experience.
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Author drunkennudeles
Posted On Sat Nov 14 00:45:09 UTC 2020
Score 8 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:39 UTC 2020
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Once the last person is admitted then theJWs rise from the grave to take this world for themselves while everyone else perished.
They also do communion but only people going to heaven drink it so they just pass a cup around the room with "jesus' blood" in it.
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Author CaterwaulOfDoom
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:12:30 UTC 2020
Score 15 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:40 UTC 2020
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Many Christians dispute the idea that Jehovah's Witnesses are Christian because they don't believe that Jesus is God.
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Author Yurak_Huntmate
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:25:07 UTC 2020
Score 358 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:48 UTC 2020
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My mum got our house blacklisted by the jehovahs witnesses because she brought up the blood transfusion thing, she asked one of them if their child was dying and needed one would they give them it, they replied no, so she went off on them calling them scum, they never returned to our house
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Author uneducatedexpert
Posted On Sat Nov 14 00:23:35 UTC 2020
Score 35 as of Sun Nov 15 17:59:49 UTC 2020
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I was raised as a JW. I started getting molested at 6 by an older cousin. That continued until the age of 9, under threat, until I was able to gain the courage to tell my parents. They didn’t get me help as it would have brought reproach against god. At age 11 my maternal grandmother moved in and molested me as well, until 13. Again, there was no help. No counseling, no support and my grandmother lived in the house after this.
At 15 I made out with my dream girl and we got to heavy petting, as jw’s like to call it. We got caught as was an absolute no no to even hold hands.
I had to site for an hour with three male elders, while I described in vivid detail what we had done. The wanted to know about her wetness, my erection, if we climaxed and what was done with it. Down to the fucking detail. Yet they didn’t want to know anything about my abuse.
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Author aka_jr91
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:24:57 UTC 2020
Score 542 as of Sun Nov 15 18:00:03 UTC 2020
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Former JW here. AllJW's are expected to sign and carry a durable power of attorney, which they also call a "no blood card." It states for you that even if you're unconscious, you still reject transfusions.
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Author baconaliens
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:44:34 UTC 2020
Score 443 as of Sun Nov 15 18:00:12 UTC 2020
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From the article it was just audio, happened more than once and she recorded it herself. Probably because the guy was an Elder's son so she felt she needed evidence for people to believe her and why they psychologically tortured her for hours.
I was raised a JW, my mom still is and has seen this. We actually also live in Utah, near this congregation. It is a cult and it's a shame it attracts good people like my mom and others I have met through the church.
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Author lunakuuipo
Posted On Sat Nov 14 00:41:55 UTC 2020
Score 36 as of Sun Nov 15 18:00:12 UTC 2020
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Yes! This. Having to go to the other classroom during bday celebrations because my family would make sure to let my teachers know every year that we wereJWs and that I can’t do that... I felt like even more of an outsider. It’s traumatic. I know what you went through and I’m so sorry you were also subjected to this 😣
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Author Empath_Wrath
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:22:47 UTC 2020
Score 171 as of Sun Nov 15 18:00:14 UTC 2020
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I remember a girl in elementary school who was a JW. She never stood for the pledge or celebrated any holiday so there were days she looked absolutely dejected sitting outside the celebrations.
The worst the was during morning announcements, if it was your birthday, the entire school would sing happy birthday. Of course she had the only birthday that day, but JW don’t celebrate birthdays, so the entire school sang to her. She looked so miserable and uncomfortable, but when she started crying at the end, I think it broke everyone in class.
Fuck Jehovah’s Witnesses
Edit: we all knew in class she didn’t celebrate her birthday, but the rest of the school didn’t. So we just sat there in silence, looking at her, like kids do. The anguish is etched in my brain.
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Author smutmuffin1978
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:23:04 UTC 2020
Score 43 as of Sun Nov 15 18:00:15 UTC 2020
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These people are messed up! My BFF from high school was raised a JW. When her parents sold their house we were helping them pack and found her dad's porn in the rafters of the basement - not regular porn mind you - beastialitality porn! She said that explained why the dog hated her dad!
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Author Made-upDreams
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:00:45 UTC 2020
Score 29 as of Sun Nov 15 18:00:16 UTC 2020
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Seeing this is odd as I just started watching Cults and Extreme Belief on Hulu and saw their Jehovah’s Witness episode...fuck now I wish I wasn’t so nice when they kept coming to my door.
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Author ralphiooo0
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:48:12 UTC 2020
Score 19 as of Sun Nov 15 18:00:16 UTC 2020
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Hey! I have the almost identical story.
How did you get away with not getting baptised ? I was kinda lucky as mum wasn’t a JW.
My dad was pretty chill for an elder. I never really got any pressure to get baptised either. Was kinda like they thought it was a given but then I hit 16 and started going out and getting drunk and then I don’t think dad minded that I stopped going to church as was always a wreck.
It’s funny what you say about people being sucked in when they are down on their luck. I went to a JW bbq a few years ago and was bored as had nothing on common so started asked people what made them join. Every single one had some shitty life event. Cancer, car accident. Violent partner etc etc. then knock knock I have the answer for you.
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Author m1ssile_
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:00:54 UTC 2020
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I’m so sorry to hear that, the brainwashing is so sad, how can you just shun family.
I got baptized at 13, what got to me was all the hypocrisy and mind control, and by 22 I noped the heck outta there. I started hanging out with “worldly” friends, started missing a bunch of meetings, and eventually got a non-JW GF; I wasn’t disfellowshipped as far as I know, I just pretty much ghosted the church and people I had known my whole life; at the time I was young and didn’t care, I was glad to rid myself of the most judgmental people in my life. My mom is still really into the religion, but I am very lucky that she’s not fanatical, my other 2 siblings also left the church and she still speaks to us like nothings changed. It took her around 4 years or so for her to finally stop trying to get us to come back “to the truth”. I remember being an angry kid growing up in the church, once I left the change in my personality was obvious and my family noticed. Best decision I made in my life was leaving.
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Author ISawHimIFoughtHim
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:58:51 UTC 2020
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There are noJWs in my country so I don't know this stuff.
Can the husband force his wife to die like that without doctors interfering? Why doesn't the wife say something?
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Author Creepy-Exit-5034
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:35:04 UTC 2020
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wait thats a thing? I used to be a JW as a kid bc my mom forced her religion onto me but I never saw any book like that
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Author westfunk
Posted On Fri Nov 13 20:48:13 UTC 2020
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If Scientology and Mormonism had a baby, it would be a Jehovahs Witness.
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Author Catalyst375
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:49:41 UTC 2020
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Parents are not able to prevent their children from getting a blood transfusion. The doctors can give them the transfusion against the parents wishes. The parents will absolutely try to stop them though, and I'm sure there are plenty of example ofJWs denying life-saving transfusion.
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Author UnsettlingAura
Posted On Fri Nov 13 20:19:37 UTC 2020
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There are a lot ofJWs who are in abusive relationships but cannot escape because divorce is a sin. It really is sick
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Author UnsettlingAura
Posted On Fri Nov 13 20:51:40 UTC 2020
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Uugh idk how to explain it, I would say look it up but I don't want y'all giving clicks to their homepage. Try asking in exjw they should know!
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Author dec44
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:21:11 UTC 2020
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Don't forget receiving blood transfusions is also forbidden. A fellow kid I was in school with who was JW had a blood disease and needed a transfusion to live. His parents said no so he died. Fuck all religions.
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Author Its_daveed
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:28:29 UTC 2020
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I almost died because i needed a blood transfusion but my dad was a JW and didnt want it happening but stuff happened and i ended up having a blood transfusion.
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Author NOFXpunklinoleum
Posted On Fri Nov 13 19:37:59 UTC 2020
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I grew up in a JW family. Dad an elder.
This is good, and accurate. A little more information, you have to be baptized in order to be disfellowshipped. You can hang around and attend meetings, but the end game is to get you baptized so that total control can be established.
Witnesses are "nice" people. My parents' congregation gets a lot of "down on their luck" types who just attend meetings to get free meals, rides, and even job hookups. My loser uncle who due to health issues can no longer smoke, drink or do drugs started attending meetings a few years ago, my mom fixes his truck, drives him to doctor appointments, took him to Victoria for medical treatment. He barely spoke to anyone in our family his whole life, but he knew where to come for handouts.
The handouts are meant to keep the person around so they can be talked into getting baptized. Most of these people end up taking off after getting all they can outside of getting baptized, but a few get sucked right in.
A friend of mine stayed a JW for many years. His mom died when he was 13, and he was told over and over again that the only way for him to see her again was for him to stay in "The Truth", and that she would be resurrected one day. As he was a child, this was instilled deeply in him, and it took well into his adulthood to realize this was pure craziness. He was eventually disfellowshipped, now his father and two sisters will not speak to him or acknowledge his existence. They have quite literally walked by him on the street without making eye contact. I don't know how someone could do that to family.
I was never baptized, so my parents still talk to me and we have an ok relationship. But that rift is always there, and I know my mom's greatest wish is that someday I'll see the light.
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Author Qball92
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:07:51 UTC 2020
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It's from 12,000 people from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. Not a JW/exJW, just a little bit of a religious scholar.
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Author theknyte
Posted On Sat Nov 14 00:16:07 UTC 2020
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I know the general world just laughs at Jehovah Witnesses as those "Nutty religious people who knock on the door."
This is all they want the general world to think of them.
THEY ARE A CULT.
They use classic indoctrination and brainwashing tricks that are only employed by cults. They use families against each other with their "Disfellowshipping" belief. Which is: If you don't follow the church's rule 100% to their liking, they will disfellowship you. You are cut off. From everything. Your friends and even your own family is told not to talk to, meet, or contact in any way shape or form, until they come crawling back to the church, begging to be let back in.
Parents willingly kick their own children out of their homes, if the Elders (Leaders of the church, ie Pastors, Priests, etc.) demand it.
They are not to associate with "Worldly Influences". Which means, no friends who are outside the church. No dating outside the church. No watching or reading ANY media not approved by the church. (Information Control and Suppression, another classic cult tactic.)
They do not want authorities to ever be involved with their religion. So any abuse, physical, sexual, mental etc. that is reported to the church, is "dealt with" in house, and even if serious crimes have been committed, they will not report them, for fear of bad publicity.
This is not a harmless religion with "Silly beliefs" such as simply not celebrating or recognizing any holiday including Birthdays. This is a cult, that has been manipulating and controlling their members for over 100 years now.
SOURCE: Was raised in JW org, and left as soon as I was old enough to.
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Author throw_away_abc123efg
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:31:56 UTC 2020
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They probably witnessed it, I mean, they are called Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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Author ZoraksGirlfriend
Posted On Fri Nov 13 23:38:42 UTC 2020
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There was one woman who died after refusing a transfusion. For some reason, it made the news and her family was talking about beingJWs. One of them said something like “in this day and age, you’d think doctors be able to prevent her death.”
I can’t remember if I literally face palmed, but I know I yelled at the tv.
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Author Blathersisacoward
Posted On Fri Nov 13 20:14:37 UTC 2020
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Growing up in a JW household this doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.
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Author Vorian23
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:06:48 UTC 2020
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They actually celebrate it when children “remain faithful to Jehovah and are willing to give their lives to uphold his laws”. This article is from their magazine the awake and it spotlights kids who died. https://wol.`jw.org`/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101994363 It’s a horrible cult. I wish more people knew about their harmful practices
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Author San_Ajo
Posted On Fri Nov 13 21:56:56 UTC 2020
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My grandmother was a JW and wanted to let my mother, who needed a transfusion after birth, die. (Austria, 1976)
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Author Mina111406
Posted On Fri Nov 13 22:11:36 UTC 2020
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If they say it's for religious purposes, there isn't much that can be done. Was working with a patient that died after a car accident because she refused a transfusion because she was JW. She looked terrified saying it, but her husband was there exclaiming the sin of receiving a transfusion. She would have been fine, even though she was seriously injured, but she just lost too much blood. She had a toddler and a baby and died because of her religious belief. Seems extremely selfish to me, but thats my opinion.
There are artificial blood products now specifically for this reason. Because it's fake, they can take the transfusion. But only if a hospital has it available. It's not super common and hard to get in a timely fashion.
Source: am lab tech that does blood bank and work in a very small hospital that also gives me a lot of ER patient interaction.
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Author DickJagamo
Posted On Sat Nov 14 00:13:11 UTC 2020
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The Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult. Not quite as bad as Scientology, but still pretty bad.
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2020.11.13 04:22 BearLair64 Sunrise in Aztlan (Page 2 of 2)

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Silvio put on his turn signal and turned into the rest stop. He and Bjorn exited the car and entered the restroom. Art stayed and kept an eye on the tractor trailer and its escorts. There was an old white short bus stopped beside the truck. The windows were darkened but presently the back door opened, and several girls were ushered from the bus into the truck trailer. Art used his mini binoculars to check the logo on the side of the bus. It was from a local reservation. These girls were likely native girls… Americans, being sold to the slavers.
Art took over driving for a while since he was most rested. Due to Bjorn’s bulk, Silvio took the back seat. They left out ahead of the convoy but just ahead. They travelled just below the speed limit and before long, the lead car overtook them. When they reached a two-lane passing area, Art pulled to the right lane and let them pass. He stayed behind them and just sped up for occasional glimpses. He’d have to get closer soon, they were nearing the area where their intel said that the convoys disappeared, and it would be daylight in a couple of hours.
They’d been climbing for some time and off to the side of their car, Bjorn and Silvio looked out at the moonlight over the mesas. It was a stirring sight and each man sank into his own thoughts. At last the convoy turned onto a plain dirt track. There were no markings or signs, but it was well maintained. Art turned off the headlights and followed by moonlight and the red taillights in the distance. They wound through several of the mesas and low hills, and then turned onto a downward track that lead into a canyon. Art pulled into some mesquite brush on the right and turned off the engine. “What’s the idea boss? We may lose them.” Silvio opined from the back seat.
“We can track them.” Art said confidently. “There is nowhere else to go. Down into the canyon. There must be a settlement or something down there. Weird but hey, weird’s our specialty. That’s a one lane dirt road. If we go too far, we’ll have to stop behind them. If they drop off and do a turnaround, we’ll be trapped. Now, how about we unass the car, get our lights and night vision gear, some ropes, and take a shortcut down the canyon wall. Save us some walking down that dirt road which may come under unfriendly observation at any time and hopefully they don’t have much farther to go.”
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They made it to the canyon floor and paralleled the track for a few miles. There was an odd, rhythmic sound from up ahead, as though drums and many voices rose in a chant. They looked at one another uneasily. The sound drifted in the dry dessert air, then abruptly ceased, started again for a moment, then stopped for good. They could see that dawn had arrived above the canyon rim but in between, the shadows prevailed. Up ahead, the road simply ended at a wall where the wide split in the land became a box canyon. The vehicle tracks led straight up to it and… vanished. Silvio led the others to a pile of rocks from which they observed, hopefully without being observed in turn. “This will do for now until we can figure out their security system and who may be watching.”
“I’d like to take a look at the box end wall,” rumbled Bjorn. “I can stay close to it and remain in the shadows. They should last a while longer.” He continued speaking before either of the elder men could raise an objection, “I know, I’m massive. However, I can move as well as anyone. In this outdoor space, the scale makes me as puny as either of you. Besides, I need to do something useful… I’m training, right?”
Art nodded and Silvio patted his charge lightly on the shoulder. “You have your spada bear cub?” To which Bjorn smiled in a manner that made it evident how he’d earned the sobriquet, “bear” as he patted the two-foot long blade sheathed at his hip.
Before any more conversation, the young giant was off among the rocks and sidling up to the wall. Once he was there, he blended into the surroundings surprisingly well. Had the two senior members of the team not known he was there they could easily have missed him. “Your trainee was well prepared in the Defense Management School. He moves well. I hear that Ed herself recruited him.”
Silvio beamed a feral grin at his team leader, “He’s green but surprisingly capable. He has no idea of course. I worry for the day that he realizes what a rare combination of talents he has. He’ll want to take over the outfit.”
Art glanced at where he thought Bjorn should be and then looked back at Silvio, “Maybe he should. I’ve lost him.”
Silvio chuckled, “I kept talking because I hoped you had eyes on him. I lost him before you first spoke… ah, wait… yes, there he is. Looks like he’s on the way back to us.
Presently Bjorn slipped down onto his belly beside his bosses. “Mystery solved. You’ll be able to tell when it gets light, but that wall is just a camouflaged rolling gate. Works well here, since the canyon narrows, and the area stays in the shade most of the day. I couldn’t really see inside but I heard some people talking and smelled cigarette smoke. Definitely guards on duty on the other side. I counted only two voices but... there are likely more nearby.”
“We’d need a full unit to take it straight on. Not really what we want to do until we have enough information to solve the mystery.” Art replied to Bjorn’s report. “Guess we’ll be climbing the wall again, then backtracking along the wall topside.” Silvio and Bjorn nodded ruefully, and the men began the climb and backtrack...
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Daisy settled in among the other women in the back of the truck. She heard the locks engage on the outside, nothing to do but get acquainted on the journey ahead. She waited for her eyes to adjust to the gloom. Some light leaked in from the doors and there were small screens around the walls of the trailer that allowed some air and light to penetrate. Unlikely to suffocate, she thought, but still pretty murky, dark outside. She looked around her but all of the women… mostly girls, sat with their faces down, hair drooping, and were clearly wrapped in miserable thoughts.
She considered her own position. She wasn’t overly worried, and she trusted her team how talented they were, even though this gang had gotten the jump on her and Jay-bird. I hope he’s okay, poor guy, she winced when she thought of how it must have hurt him when the bullet entered his leg. It looked bad, top of the knee… She shook off those thoughts, unproductive! The men had questioned her briefly about anyone else following them. She’d insisted that she and Jay were not following them on purpose but had intended to rob the truck stop since cops were thin on the ground out this way. They’d been dubious but she was a decent enough actress and pointed out that she and Jay were both armed and had done some damage. It helped that she carried no ID and their vehicle had been pretty standard.
She once more let her eyes roam around the trailer rig. There, that one in the front corner nearest the cab. Her gaze was fixed, but angry rather than hopeless. Her clothes were nicer than anyone else’s, including Daisy’s… it was her! Daisy recognized her from the file photo, this was Reyna Marquez-Morales. No fuc… no way! She knew that the odds were astronomical. Then again, the trucks likely didn’t roll that often, Reyna had probably been held somewhere for a while to let the initial buzz settle. It really hadn’t been long since she’d gone missing, just over a couple of weeks, and here she was in a tractor trailer, shoved in among the regular girls like so much cattle. For that matter, so was Daisy.
She wanted desperately to talk to the girl but feared that some of the others might be snitches. She cleared her throat, “Anybody here speak English?” She tried to sound hopeful. Her Spanish was native and excellent, but they didn’t need to know that; …Crickets, apparently no one did. Only a few even bothered to look up at her. Reyna just continued to glare at a spot on the opposite wall. “Great, guess it’s going to be a boring trip.” She let a little defiance creep into her voice.
“I speak English, but I don’t want to talk right now. Maybe later. At the moment, I’m tired and angry and want to use a real toilet, not that bucket in the corner.” Reyna said as she flicked her chin to the opposite corner where there was a five-gallon bucket with a toilet seat and cover mounted in a corner.
Daisy had simply assumed that the reek of the place was produced by pent in humans, but the honey-bucket definitely added to the effluvium. “Thanks” Daisy nodded. “Can’t blame you. When you’re ready.”
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Moctezuma placed his feathered cloak on the peg in his chambers. Servants did most things for him but only he touched the sacred garments and accoutrements. He eagerly awaited the arrival of the “special ones” the pair that would be sacrificed on the Day of Return. It was when Queztacuatl would return in fury and lead the people to reclaim this land. On the last Return, He was embodied in the Cortez, a conqueror, with a similar appearance and name to what was in the old prophecy. The priest king knew, based on later prophecy that this time, the Quetza would lead beside Moctezuma.
He'd only recently found the right Bride for The Sun, but he’d known the groom for years. The eldest son of one of the most powerful cartel bosses; the girl would be a good match for him, both the children of the ruling class from within the light and dark of society. The boy’s father had willingly offered him, he had plenty of other sons and this one did not show much promise as a criminal mastermind. The usual offerings… offerings, not sacrifices, were the discarded souls of the world who’d sought dreams of freedom and prosperity, but whose bodies were instead used up by cruel masters. Women shattered by the sex trade, men exhausted by work in fields and processing plants: mere peasants, those offerings. Yet these two children of powerful people would be a true sacrifice. Something special for the people, la raza, to offer The Gods as a means to gain Their favor and to welcome the coming of Quetzacuatl.
So, he had been taught as he grew into the role of the priest-king of his people. It had become more difficult of late to hide from the modern governments and drones and satellites, he’d had to allow modern technology to blend with the ancient ways. Yet that would soon all be done; the bride had arrived just in time. There were no ill portents as had preceded the arrival of Cortez; this time there would be triumph and The Gods would Return to claim this land for Their people!
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Once they were up top and back at the car, the truncated DMTS team took a little time to more thoroughly hide the vehicle. The main concern was that these guys would have aerial surveillance, likely drones. They retrieved more gear and drank plenty of water. The dry air drained the moisture from their bodies with even slight exertion. Art contacted Pearly Gates on his closed channel sat phone.
“Looks like Jay’s gonna make it but he may end up with a new leg to match his arm. Kid’ll be a bionic man before it’s all done. We’ll have to start calling him ‘Blue-Jay’ with all that cobalt blue hide. She took care of the cleaning at the truck stop and the few potential witnesses were all well paid and frightened enough to have seen and heard nothing. Local LE has been redirected. All surveillance video for the date in question has been mysteriously looped. She was able to capture our coordinates. Of course, she and Jim Bui want to join us now that Jay is stable. They’ll contact us when they reach the turn-off to the dirt road.”
Bjorn pointed back along the roadway they’d followed, “Dirt on top but you can see it’s paved underneath the sand and gravel. No wonder it was in good shape, asphalt underlayment.”
Silvio nodded, “Good eye Bjorn. Now find us a place to bed down until we get the rest of our team.”
Bjorn did just that and they were soon ensconced among some rocks near the canyon rim. A place from which they could watch without being observed and rest in preparation for a busy night.
Toward evening, Jim and Pearly Gates arrived and soon had their new SUV hidden near the car. The entire group prepared to set out once full dark arrived. “Any word on Daisy?” Pearly Gates asked anxiously.
Art shook his head, “No Pearly Gates, we haven’t seen the occupants of the truck and it hasn’t yet left the canyon.”
As the sun sank until it met with the western horizon, they heard, very faintly this time, the rhythmic thumping and chants as the canyon acted like an enormous speaker and piped the sounds to them. Not many other people would have noticed but DMT Solutions Teams were trained to do so and most of this team had experiences that led them to notice far more than was common. Then the noises were drowned by the yips and wails of nearby coyotes, plaintively calling into the coming night. It was time to go…
They were unsure of what happened to the people who disappeared into the canyon, but they knew that Daisy was in grave danger. As a trainee, Bjorn had known her the least amount of time, but he’d learned to like and respect the young woman. She appeared small and soft but could pack a wallop when the need arose and had the energy of, “a BB in a glass bowl” as she’d proudly claimed on more than one occasion. He could see that Pearly Gates was the most affected. She and Daisy were like sisters. Pearly Gates had taken on a cold seething anger and he could see the struggle within her to maintain a calm approach.
They desperately needed information on the interior of the facility and how it operated. He and Pearly Gates now peered over the rim of the canyon wall through advanced night vision devices. The, “Technological” Team of DMTS had produced many near miracle tech devices and these were no exception. The canyon opened up dramatically after the choke point. The buildings along the sides were cleverly worked into the natural rock for the most part but the… city, there was no other word for it, extended onto the canyon floor as well. At the wall of the actual end of the box canyon, rose… a pyramid, a real live pyramid, right here in the good ole USA he mused. “If even only half those buildings are dwellings, we are looking at a population of around five to ten thousand. More if the caves extend deeply into the surrounding rock.” he rumbled to his fellow scout.
“Hhmmmnn…” Pearly Gates growled in return, possibly in agreement, but probably with some reservations. Her tawny locks gleamed a silver grey in the moonlight, for all the world like a puma. He was reminded of those creatures when her eyes flashed in his direction. “We aren’t going to get any more information from here. Let’s go back and see what the drones found and the satellite mapped.”
They returned to the makeshift camp inside the boulders. Silvio, in his vulpine manner, suddenly appeared from the darkness; it was almost enough to startle Bjorn, never a good idea, even though he’d been trained to control himself. Pearly Gates, already on edge, snapped at the lean field agent, “Seriously? You should know better Silvio, never jump out in front of fellow predators unless you are looking for a fight.”
Silvio nodded tightly in acknowledgement, “Yes, you know it works both ways though, the two of you were moving very quietly. No need to startle the rest of the Diablos Tejanos. We are all on edge with worry over Daisy. I’ve downloaded the Sat information to your devices. Art and Jim Bui are bringing in the drones and we can start sorting out our plan.”
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“So, I don’t know much more than you.” Reyna spoke quietly to Daisy, who had moved to sit beside her, despite the proximity of the rank honey-bucket. “I was in Galveston with some friends, we have a beach house there at Jamaica Beach. A couple of girls I didn’t know came with a friend and I think they must have played a part in taking me. We hung out and partied for a while, then… I woke up in a dark room. They would turn on a red lightbulb when they fed me. I was able to figure out where the toilet-sink combination and the cot were. Everything was metal. I couldn’t really see the person… maybe people, who brought the meals, but I think they were all women. Maybe like these.” She waved her hand slightly to indicate their fellow passengers on the journey to misery.
Daisy nodded along but remained silent, she wanted the girl to keep talking. After a moment, Reyna obliged, “Then they came for me, the goons, the ones that put you in here with us. Neither one of us belongs here. The rest of the women are undocumented, I talked to a few, mostly prostitutes…” she whispered the last. “I can’t believe this. Do you know who my mother is? Has there been anything on the news?”
Daisy wasn’t ready to show her hand, “No idea, I don’t watch news, bor-ring! I’ve seen some things though. These chics don’t look like pros, they look like sheep. Sheep that have been kicked around pretty hard.”
Reyna shrugged, “Whatever, I just hope that my friends were able to get help. If my mom finds out, she’ll send someone to get me.” She again slipped into a whisper, “She’s in Congress, they’ll have to send someone. She’s pretty well known, even some talk of her being in line for a bigger office. I just have to wait.”
Daisy again remained silent, apparently the girl was spoiled and vacuous enough to assume that none of the other women would note or comprehend her whispers. She had to do her job but, what an arrogant little arse-tard! Definitely had to keep that to herself. Reyna had seemed to hold it together pretty well but now she sniveled a little, a small whimper and sniff of soft crying. Someone in this trailer seemed to be crying quietly at all times, like they took it in shifts. The truck slowed considerably and made one sharp turn, then headed down a steep grade. Eventually it leveled out for a while. Then it stopped.
There were rumbles and voices outside and the truck once again lurched forward. The poor light that penetrated the vents began to turn gray when the truck came to what felt like a significant halt. The driver took the vehicle out of gear and she heard the cab doors open and shut. Presently, the first bright light of the morning greeted her. It wasn’t too bad, there were still shadows since… ah, canyon walls, that’s what occluded the light.
The “herd” of women left the truck and women in plain cotton shifts with intricate embroidery met them and spoke soothingly as they were ushered into a plain building that Daisy quickly recognized as a dormitory… like in a jail but maybe a little nicer… a newer jail. While one of the elder women gave a short introduction, she focused on a different discussion that occurred just outside the still opened door. She noted that one of the eldest of the women spoke to the lead thug, “That was close. We have only one left, the one for sunset tonight. Tomorrow is the big day, but we still have to keep up the Cycle of The Sun. This won’t be the last load.”
The thug shrugged, “The Big M’s the one who ordered us to time it this way. We kept her close to where we took her until the immediate search was over. She’s feisty but empty-headed. Still, we can’t put her off for too long with stories about ransom. There’s another one, she’d be good for sunset today or tomorrow. She caused us some trouble. Might as well take care of it…”
“C’mon young one, we are going inside to look at the rest of the dormitory.” One of the women in the embroidered shifts smiled at Daisy and indicated with her hand that she should move along. Daisy saw that the smile did not touch her eyes, they were black and hard, like obsidian...
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It had been relatively easy to access the city from the canyon walls, but the team then had to figure out how to move about without getting caught and then how to find Daisy and possibly Reyna among thousands of other people. They weren’t even completely sure that Reyna would be in the city. She could be anywhere on the trail of misery they’d followed. Still, she was their primary mission. Art had stayed above, their communication link with a Cleaner Team on standby. That group would take care of any unfortunate messes, to include avenging their deaths should such a need arise.
They’d decided to start with the pyramid… there was nothing else like it. Surely it was the center of whatever was happening in this place. The moon rose above the canyon wall and shed some light, but there was very little visible artificial lighting. It was likely that the community cooperated in keeping the location off the maps. The central plaza appeared deserted and the pyramid rose ahead in the gloom, massive and tall but wide enough at each level to still appear somewhat squat. The lowest level extended into the canyon wall. The second level appeared to be flush with it. The rest ascended in smaller platforms until at the top, a large basalt block rested free and clear of everything but its enormous base, the pyramid. It was set so the bottom of it was just above the rim of the canyon, high in the sky and in position to greet the rising sun and bid farewell as it set.
Bjorn and Silvio took a position near one of the structures from which no sounds of occupation emanated. Pearly Gates and Jim Bui tackled the climb from one of the sides. There were no deliberate steps on the south face, only the east and west faces but the surface was fairly rough and there were carvings and protrusions that in combination with the gentle slope, made the climb easy for their levels of experience. They made the ascent in under ten minutes. Bjorn watched as the scouts sunk low at the apex to avoid being silhouetted against the night sky with its bright moon and myriad of stars, all made clear by the absence of humidity. Had he not known they were there he would not have seen the few tiny signs that they displayed.
He was starting to get nervous and noted that Silvio squirmed as well, when a shadow rose from the silvery light. It was quickly joined by another. The scouts had returned. Pearly Gates spoke in low tones, “That thing is just what it looks like, an altar. It’s been cleaned but there are clear signs that blood has flowed across the surface of that block, it went into a drain in the center. The back of the block that faces the cliff has an opening, like a chute. It seriously reeks. Flashlight beam couldn’t find the bottom but there is definitely airflow, like the entire pyramid is breathing; very dramatic. There is a narrow stair that leads up and down the north face from the top of the second level; a door leads into the canyon wall. Apparently, anyone who needs to magically appear can simply ascend that stair and voila! The whole view from the top looks like this is a theater stage.”
Jim Bui watched their trail and remained vigilant during the report and added only, “There is a stench of death in that place. The basalt block had two slight indentations… as though two human bodies could be placed side by side with heads in opposite directions. Kinda creepy, like some old pulp story, Tarzan or Conan, maybe Cthulu… but with actual people dead at the end of the ceremonies. Maybe they needed so many people to fill up the pyramid with bodies, who knows?” He shivered a little. Jim Bui was tough but the situation had him on edge.
Pearly Gates remained cold, “We still don’t know where Daisy is or Reyna. Should we look around the buildings? There’s no way to tell when or even if they might be brought to this place.”
In the end, they decided to take a look around the city. Pearly Gates and Jim Bui started at the base of the eastern stairs and Bjorn and Silvio took the western end. The streets were squared off because of the buildings that lined them, yet it seemed that the buildings were staggered so that there were no direct approaches to the pyramid until one cleared the last offset, then it was a short walk into the plaza and to the base of the steps.
They maintained a leisurely pace, stalking quietly and staying close to walls that cast moon-shadows when possible. The night was moving on rapidly and it was eerie how quiet the complex was when they considered the number of people they’d observed and heard earlier. Every roof and upper wall was left in natural basic colors, but each lower level had been used as a canvas for murals of ancient native life and depictions of the myths and legends of pre-Columbian tribes in their glory days. It was difficult for Bjorn to avoid becoming engrossed in the tales that the artwork told, but then he saw one that he could not ignore. He touched Silvio’s shoulder and then tapped it and pointed to the pertinent wall.
It displayed the same feathered serpent or dragon figure that they’d observed at La Quetza Cantina. It appeared to fly above and preside over a pyramid. On the pyramid were figures, a brightly bedecked one stood above two others, very obviously male and female characters. The colorful person held a long, black object above them; it looked like a large knife that he intended to plunge into the chests of the supine figures on the dull black alter. There were two other figures in ornate dress, another male and female, who stood by with basins to catch the blood that would surely flow…
Bjorn and Silvio looked at one another briefly, then Silvio indicated with a nod and hand gesture that they should keep going. Yet at the end of the building, they had to halt. They’d reached the parking area, across which was a large garage shed that contained the tractor trailer and escort vehicles that they’d followed. Two men stood beside them, visible only because one was smoking. When the breeze shifted, Bjorn could make out brief snatches of conversation but nothing intelligible. Silvio signaled that he should wait and then he ducked around the corner to the front of the two-story structure. He returned presently and signaled for Bjorn to follow him. They reached the back of the building and rounded the corner together and once more, two figures emerged from the gloom of night. Pearly Gates and Jim Bui…
**** * ****
Daisey quietly scouted through the dormitory in search of an escape route other than the front or back doors on the first floor. She found none, there were no windows in the structure. Not even in the dorm monitors’ suite. The door at the top of the stairs had been locked but she worked for a company that focused on solutions. She heard light snoring from the two figures that were there as guides and guards. She crept past their open door and tried the back door. Locked. Looking at it, she decided that she could open it, but first she checked for alarms… none, the typical captives were cowed before they even arrived, and security had clearly grown lax.
She exited and was pleased to find a bright glowing moon above to greet her. She glanced around and saw a figure disappear around a corner. Odd, the rest of the complex was as quiet as a grave. Might as well follow, she figured she had about an hour to explore.
**** * ****
Bjorn felt a heavy tap on top of his shoulder and smoothly flowed into a kneeling posture as he came to a stop. He looked around first with his eyes and then slowly he turned his head. Silvio was ahead of him and Jim Bui was just behind. Pearl Gates was the rearguard. She was faced in the direction from which they’d come and based on her stance, she was prepared for a fight. Jim Bui had his heavy knife in hand and Bjorn realized that he’d instinctively drawn his own oversized scramasaex without conscious thought. He’d passed on the signal to Silvio, who now stood watch at the next corner, in the shadows. There was the slightest glint of the sharp edges of his stiletto. He couldn’t see it, but he knew that Pearly Gates would have held her pistol with the sound suppressor. They were completely prepared for an attack. He wondered if the men who had been out with the trucks had spotted them and followed.
Pearly Gates quickly stood and stepped forward, toward their stalker. Bjorn’s first instinct was to rise and assist her against the opponent who grappled with her. Then he realized that their shadow was none other than Daisy. The, “grapple” was a warm embrace.
**** * ****
The team continued their silent trek until they were near the plaza. They gathered around in a pool of shadow and spoke in sotto voce tones to make their plans. Daisy insisted on going back to the dormitory, “I have to protect Reyna. I don’t know when they’ll take her, but if we are sacrifices, we have to let it go forward until we can figure out a rescue for all of the captives. For that matter, they may take me first, I am a problem child.” She gave a wicked grin with that.
Pearly Gates slipped a small caliber pistol into Daisy’s palm, “Now you are a problema for these freaks.” Her grin was downright savage.
Bjorn presented her with one of his smaller blades, “So, what’s the plan?”
**** * ****
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2020.11.11 20:33 lexilous Six weeks post-op vulvoplasty (zero-depth vaginoplasty)

Hi all, I thought I would add my experience to the growing pool of data for this procedure.
About me: I’m 26 years old, 5’ 11’’, 155 lbs, and I run regularly (nothing very intense though). I had previously had an orchiectomy.
Surgeon: Dr. Ley at the Meltzer Clinic in Scottsdale, AZ, USA
Why I chose the surgeon: Partly because she is one of relatively few who do vulvoplasty, and partly because she has a good reputation and is part of a very well-known clinic that is also in my country. When I emailed different practices, the Meltzer clinic responded immediately.
Finances: I have NYS UMR insurance, which was out-of-network for them. I had to pay a $2,500 deposit at the consult, then two ~$6,000 pre-surgery payments closer to the surgery date. My insurance did approve the procedure, and hopefully will be reimbursing me up to 80% for that and the hospital fees etc.
Wait list: only 3-4 months at the time of my consult. I scheduled 7.5 months out.
Accommodations and travel: I stayed at an Airbnb about 30 minutes away and didn't need any help with transportation. They do offer local transportation services if necessary, though.
Recovery timeline:
Day 3 - left hospital
Day 4 - nausea, gradually subsiding over subsequent days
Day 6 - sutures removed
Day 7 - started going on short, awkward walks
Day 8 - catheter out; peeing was kind of difficult for a week
Day 10 - flew back home; walking already getting easier
Week 2 - peeing gets easier
Week 3 - pain is almost entirely gone; some soreness still
Week 4 - pain is gone; gross smell. Still swollen
Week 4 - started running again!!!
Week 5 - with better hygiene, smell subsides.
Week 5 - swelling is also noticeably going down
Week 6 - back to former running performance!
Week 6 - swelling continues to go down, gradually
Week 6 - many of the dissolvable stitches have come out at this point, but others remain firmly entrenched.
Overall pain: in the hospital, up to 5/10 when the pain medication was wearing off. At home, starting at 3/10 and decreasing to almost nothing by week 3. Sitting or lying down = much less pain than standing up, for the first few weeks. Note: I did not use the pain medication they prescribed me once I left the hospital; just Ibuprofen for a few nights and an ice pack for about a week.
How it looks: I’m not including pictures, but I think it looks good? It’s still swollen, so the labia majora looks quite large. There is a second-stage surgery, but I have no plans for that currently.
Highlights:
Lowlights:
Overall experience: Very positive
Would I recommend? Yes
A couple things that I didn’t know and wish I had:
Finally,
Reasons why I chose this surgery
Feel free to ask me anything
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Anti-virus and spyware protection are essential for your computer to run smoothly. Unfortunately, most people do not know what they are doing when it comes to their computers. Most people do not bother to update the virus definitions on their computers as well as regularly install and uninstall their computer programs. Many people use freeware and shareware programs without updating the software and end up making themselves vulnerable to computer infections.
The main reason why Norton has been able to gain so much popularity is because of the high quality of their products. Most people think that because Norton is one of the leading anti-spyware programs available, then it will also be one of the top rated anti-virus programs. This is not necessarily true. You can get an excellent anti-virus program from many different companies, but it would always be better if you can try one out before you buy it.
Norton has developed a user friendly interface which makes it easy to find and remove viruses. If you download and use Norton, you should make sure that you always update the virus definition on your PC. In addition to that, Norton also comes with a system backup facility so that if something happens to your PC, you will still be able to restore the file.
The best feature of Norton Anti-Virus is its parental control feature. This feature can be very useful in case you have children around the house. This feature allows you to block the websites which contain inappropriate content or harmful downloads. You can even set the time limit for when the sites have to be blocked. and Norton also has a virus and spyware removal tool that can be used on your infected PC.
You can download the latest version of Norton free from the official website of Norton. You can also subscribe to their RSS feed, which will help you stay up-to-date with the latest news and alerts about updates on Norton.
Apart from anti-viruses, Norton also has some other tools such as malware scanner, adware remover, browser cleaner and firewall protection which you can download to your PC. Even if you only want to scan for the most common types of malicious software, Norton has most of these tools included in their free version.
Norton works with a variety of security suites including Kaspersky, AVG, Norton, and Windows Defender. You should always ensure that you update all your security settings in order to keep your computer safe from possible infections.
Norton also has a free scanner application which you can use to scan your PC and download any needed updates. The registry editor of Norton allows you to easily edit the settings and options within your registry, which you need in order to keep your computer running smoothly.
Norton also offers support in many languages such as Russian, Spanish, Chinese, and Dutch. If you are using English as your primary language, you can choose the English-US language pack which will allow you to access more options and features of Norton in English.
Norton is not only free; you can also buy the Professional version of the antivirus. which offers complete support and functionality. It also comes with unlimited space for saving your data. which makes it ideal for those who wish to have several anti-virus programs running at once.
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Anti-virus and spyware protection are essential for your computer to run smoothly. Unfortunately, most people do not know what they are doing when it comes to their computers. Most people do not bother to update the virus definitions on their computers as well as regularly install and uninstall their computer programs. Many people use freeware and shareware programs without updating the software and end up making themselves vulnerable to computer infections.
The main reason why Norton has been able to gain so much popularity is because of the high quality of their products. Most people think that because Norton is one of the leading anti-spyware programs available, then it will also be one of the top rated anti-virus programs. This is not necessarily true. You can get an excellent anti-virus program from many different companies, but it would always be better if you can try one out before you buy it.
Norton has developed a user friendly interface which makes it easy to find and remove viruses. If you download and use Norton, you should make sure that you always update the virus definition on your PC. In addition to that, Norton also comes with a system backup facility so that if something happens to your PC, you will still be able to restore the file.
The best feature of Norton Anti-Virus is its parental control feature. This feature can be very useful in case you have children around the house. This feature allows you to block the websites which contain inappropriate content or harmful downloads. You can even set the time limit for when the sites have to be blocked. and Norton also has a virus and spyware removal tool that can be used on your infected PC.
You can download the latest version of Norton free from the official website of Norton. You can also subscribe to their RSS feed, which will help you stay up-to-date with the latest news and alerts about updates on Norton.
Apart from anti-viruses, Norton also has some other tools such as malware scanner, adware remover, browser cleaner and firewall protection which you can download to your PC. Even if you only want to scan for the most common types of malicious software, Norton has most of these tools included in their free version.
Norton works with a variety of security suites including Kaspersky, AVG, Norton, and Windows Defender. You should always ensure that you update all your security settings in order to keep your computer safe from possible infections.
Norton also has a free scanner application which you can use to scan your PC and download any needed updates. The registry editor of Norton allows you to easily edit the settings and options within your registry, which you need in order to keep your computer running smoothly.
Norton also offers support in many languages such as Russian, Spanish, Chinese, and Dutch. If you are using English as your primary language, you can choose the English-US language pack which will allow you to access more options and features of Norton in English.
Norton is not only free; you can also buy the Professional version of the antivirus. which offers complete support and functionality. It also comes with unlimited space for saving your data. which makes it ideal for those who wish to have several anti-virus programs running at once.
Norton is available on various download portals and websites which offer a wide range of products. However, if you want the full version of the software, you should go directly to the official website.
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The chiefs present on Norton helpline number are experts and are consistently prepared to help. The Norton email customer service is all day, every day accessible for the customers to serve them in the most effective manner.
You can either contact Norton by phone or you can profit the advantage of Norton chat support service.
With the help of this Norton live help, you’ll trade messages with an online specialist who is sitting just to offer overpowering Norton support email service to the customers.
Along these lines, you can introduce your Norton Desktop on MAC OS X.
The engineering of the MAC OS X working framework is entirely unexpected from the Windows working framework.
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Through this segment, we will direct you to make and sign in to an Norton mail account. On the off chance that you are searching for the procedure to sign in and make an Norton mail, at that point this segment of the article documentation will direct you.
Norton mail help chiefs offer the procedure rules to sign in to an Norton email. In the event that the clients need to sign into the Norton email, at that point they have to play out the procedure given beneath.
In the event that the clients face any sort of issue while playing out the procedure, at that point they can call Norton customer support phone number.
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Anti-virus and spyware protection are essential for your computer to run smoothly. Unfortunately, most people do not know what they are doing when it comes to their computers. Most people do not bother to update the virus definitions on their computers as well as regularly install and uninstall their computer programs. Many people use freeware and shareware programs without updating the software and end up making themselves vulnerable to computer infections.
The main reason why Norton has been able to gain so much popularity is because of the high quality of their products. Most people think that because Norton is one of the leading anti-spyware programs available, then it will also be one of the top rated anti-virus programs. This is not necessarily true. You can get an excellent anti-virus program from many different companies, but it would always be better if you can try one out before you buy it.
Norton has developed a user friendly interface which makes it easy to find and remove viruses. If you download and use Norton, you should make sure that you always update the virus definition on your PC. In addition to that, Norton also comes with a system backup facility so that if something happens to your PC, you will still be able to restore the file.
The best feature of Norton Anti-Virus is its parental control feature. This feature can be very useful in case you have children around the house. This feature allows you to block the websites which contain inappropriate content or harmful downloads. You can even set the time limit for when the sites have to be blocked. and Norton also has a virus and spyware removal tool that can be used on your infected PC.
You can download the latest version of Norton free from the official website of Norton. You can also subscribe to their RSS feed, which will help you stay up-to-date with the latest news and alerts about updates on Norton.
Apart from anti-viruses, Norton also has some other tools such as malware scanner, adware remover, browser cleaner and firewall protection which you can download to your PC. Even if you only want to scan for the most common types of malicious software, Norton has most of these tools included in their free version.
Norton works with a variety of security suites including Kaspersky, AVG, Norton, and Windows Defender. You should always ensure that you update all your security settings in order to keep your computer safe from possible infections.
Norton also has a free scanner application which you can use to scan your PC and download any needed updates. The registry editor of Norton allows you to easily edit the settings and options within your registry, which you need in order to keep your computer running smoothly.
Norton also offers support in many languages such as Russian, Spanish, Chinese, and Dutch. If you are using English as your primary language, you can choose the English-US language pack which will allow you to access more options and features of Norton in English.
Norton is not only free; you can also buy the Professional version of the antivirus. which offers complete support and functionality. It also comes with unlimited space for saving your data. which makes it ideal for those who wish to have several anti-virus programs running at once.
Norton is available on various download portals and websites which offer a wide range of products. However, if you want the full version of the software, you should go directly to the official website.
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The chiefs present on Norton helpline number are experts and are consistently prepared to help. The Norton email customer service is all day, every day accessible for the customers to serve them in the most effective manner.
You can either contact Norton by phone or you can profit the advantage of Norton chat support service.
With the help of this Norton live help, you’ll trade messages with an online specialist who is sitting just to offer overpowering Norton support email service to the customers.
Along these lines, you can introduce your Norton Desktop on MAC OS X.
The engineering of the MAC OS X working framework is entirely unexpected from the Windows working framework.
The installation procedure of Norton Desktop is additionally unique in both the frameworks. On the off chance that you face any issue in introducing Norton Desktop on MAC OS X, at that point you can call on the Norton technical support phone number.
The masters accessible on the Norton contact number are master in work and are consistently prepared to help you with these inquiries.
So contact Norton email support phone number to interface with Norton help work area.
On the off chance that you can’t associate with the Norton contact number, at that point other than calling on the Norton technical support number you can give calling a shot the toll free number accessible on this website.
This toll free number later gets you the help of autonomous outsider Norton email arrangement service.
We recommend you to generously experience the terms and strategies before calling on the outsider Norton support email service through our toll free number.Norton mail phone number
Norton Email Setup >> Procedure to create and log in an Norton email
Through this segment, we will direct you to make and sign in to an Norton mail account. On the off chance that you are searching for the procedure to sign in and make an Norton mail, at that point this segment of the article documentation will direct you.
Norton mail help chiefs offer the procedure rules to sign in to an Norton email. In the event that the clients need to sign into the Norton email, at that point they have to play out the procedure given beneath.
In the event that the clients face any sort of issue while playing out the procedure, at that point they can call Norton customer support phone number.
Norton mail customer service specialists will help them to determine their issues in a split second.
Some of the antivirus customer care will provide you the guidance over online premium email service 1800 1 800 tollfree. contact total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number. call Internet security customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk on toll-free USA CANADA to chat with live person for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour time the clients Norton to login to their Norton email account however they neglected to sign in because of some technical mistake, all things considered, the client searches for Norton helpline number to profit the advantage of overpowering customer service.
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Anti-virus and spyware protection are essential for your computer to run smoothly. Unfortunately, most people do not know what they are doing when it comes to their computers. Most people do not bother to update the virus definitions on their computers as well as regularly install and uninstall their computer programs. Many people use freeware and shareware programs without updating the software and end up making themselves vulnerable to computer infections.
The main reason why Norton has been able to gain so much popularity is because of the high quality of their products. Most people think that because Norton is one of the leading anti-spyware programs available, then it will also be one of the top rated anti-virus programs. This is not necessarily true. You can get an excellent anti-virus program from many different companies, but it would always be better if you can try one out before you buy it.
Norton has developed a user friendly interface which makes it easy to find and remove viruses. If you download and use Norton, you should make sure that you always update the virus definition on your PC. In addition to that, Norton also comes with a system backup facility so that if something happens to your PC, you will still be able to restore the file.
The best feature of Norton Anti-Virus is its parental control feature. This feature can be very useful in case you have children around the house. This feature allows you to block the websites which contain inappropriate content or harmful downloads. You can even set the time limit for when the sites have to be blocked. and Norton also has a virus and spyware removal tool that can be used on your infected PC.
You can download the latest version of Norton free from the official website of Norton. You can also subscribe to their RSS feed, which will help you stay up-to-date with the latest news and alerts about updates on Norton.
Apart from anti-viruses, Norton also has some other tools such as malware scanner, adware remover, browser cleaner and firewall protection which you can download to your PC. Even if you only want to scan for the most common types of malicious software, Norton has most of these tools included in their free version.
Norton works with a variety of security suites including Kaspersky, AVG, Norton, and Windows Defender. You should always ensure that you update all your security settings in order to keep your computer safe from possible infections.
Norton also has a free scanner application which you can use to scan your PC and download any needed updates. The registry editor of Norton allows you to easily edit the settings and options within your registry, which you need in order to keep your computer running smoothly.
Norton also offers support in many languages such as Russian, Spanish, Chinese, and Dutch. If you are using English as your primary language, you can choose the English-US language pack which will allow you to access more options and features of Norton in English.
Norton is not only free; you can also buy the Professional version of the antivirus. which offers complete support and functionality. It also comes with unlimited space for saving your data. which makes it ideal for those who wish to have several anti-virus programs running at once.
Norton is available on various download portals and websites which offer a wide range of products. However, if you want the full version of the software, you should go directly to the official website.
contact Norton Antivirus customer care total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number on 1800 1 800 tollfree. call Anti-virus customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk for USA CANADA to chat with live person online premium email for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour. These are the means to introduce Norton on your windows OS. In spite of the fact that the technique is simple and you can do it without the help of Norton help number yet on the off chance that you are as yet confronting issues in introducing Norton Desktop on windows, at that point you may contact Norton support phone number.
The chiefs present on Norton helpline number are experts and are consistently prepared to help. The Norton email customer service is all day, every day accessible for the customers to serve them in the most effective manner.
You can either contact Norton by phone or you can profit the advantage of Norton chat support service.
With the help of this Norton live help, you’ll trade messages with an online specialist who is sitting just to offer overpowering Norton support email service to the customers.
Along these lines, you can introduce your Norton Desktop on MAC OS X.
The engineering of the MAC OS X working framework is entirely unexpected from the Windows working framework.
The installation procedure of Norton Desktop is additionally unique in both the frameworks. On the off chance that you face any issue in introducing Norton Desktop on MAC OS X, at that point you can call on the Norton technical support phone number.
The masters accessible on the Norton contact number are master in work and are consistently prepared to help you with these inquiries.
So contact Norton email support phone number to interface with Norton help work area.
On the off chance that you can’t associate with the Norton contact number, at that point other than calling on the Norton technical support number you can give calling a shot the toll free number accessible on this website.
This toll free number later gets you the help of autonomous outsider Norton email arrangement service.
We recommend you to generously experience the terms and strategies before calling on the outsider Norton support email service through our toll free number.Norton mail phone number
Norton Email Setup >> Procedure to create and log in an Norton email
Through this segment, we will direct you to make and sign in to an Norton mail account. On the off chance that you are searching for the procedure to sign in and make an Norton mail, at that point this segment of the article documentation will direct you.
Norton mail help chiefs offer the procedure rules to sign in to an Norton email. In the event that the clients need to sign into the Norton email, at that point they have to play out the procedure given beneath.
In the event that the clients face any sort of issue while playing out the procedure, at that point they can call Norton customer support phone number.
Norton mail customer service specialists will help them to determine their issues in a split second.
Some of the antivirus customer care will provide you the guidance over online premium email service 1800 1 800 tollfree. contact total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number. call Internet security customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk on toll-free USA CANADA to chat with live person for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour time the clients Norton to login to their Norton email account however they neglected to sign in because of some technical mistake, all things considered, the client searches for Norton helpline number to profit the advantage of overpowering customer service.
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Anti-virus and spyware protection are essential for your computer to run smoothly. Unfortunately, most people do not know what they are doing when it comes to their computers. Most people do not bother to update the virus definitions on their computers as well as regularly install and uninstall their computer programs. Many people use freeware and shareware programs without updating the software and end up making themselves vulnerable to computer infections.
The main reason why Norton has been able to gain so much popularity is because of the high quality of their products. Most people think that because Norton is one of the leading anti-spyware programs available, then it will also be one of the top rated anti-virus programs. This is not necessarily true. You can get an excellent anti-virus program from many different companies, but it would always be better if you can try one out before you buy it.
Norton has developed a user friendly interface which makes it easy to find and remove viruses. If you download and use Norton, you should make sure that you always update the virus definition on your PC. In addition to that, Norton also comes with a system backup facility so that if something happens to your PC, you will still be able to restore the file.
The best feature of Norton Anti-Virus is its parental control feature. This feature can be very useful in case you have children around the house. This feature allows you to block the websites which contain inappropriate content or harmful downloads. You can even set the time limit for when the sites have to be blocked. and Norton also has a virus and spyware removal tool that can be used on your infected PC.
You can download the latest version of Norton free from the official website of Norton. You can also subscribe to their RSS feed, which will help you stay up-to-date with the latest news and alerts about updates on Norton.
Apart from anti-viruses, Norton also has some other tools such as malware scanner, adware remover, browser cleaner and firewall protection which you can download to your PC. Even if you only want to scan for the most common types of malicious software, Norton has most of these tools included in their free version.
Norton works with a variety of security suites including Kaspersky, AVG, Norton, and Windows Defender. You should always ensure that you update all your security settings in order to keep your computer safe from possible infections.
Norton also has a free scanner application which you can use to scan your PC and download any needed updates. The registry editor of Norton allows you to easily edit the settings and options within your registry, which you need in order to keep your computer running smoothly.
Norton also offers support in many languages such as Russian, Spanish, Chinese, and Dutch. If you are using English as your primary language, you can choose the English-US language pack which will allow you to access more options and features of Norton in English.
Norton is not only free; you can also buy the Professional version of the antivirus. which offers complete support and functionality. It also comes with unlimited space for saving your data. which makes it ideal for those who wish to have several anti-virus programs running at once.
Norton is available on various download portals and websites which offer a wide range of products. However, if you want the full version of the software, you should go directly to the official website.
contact Norton Antivirus customer care total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number on 1800 1 800 tollfree. call Anti-virus customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk for USA CANADA to chat with live person online premium email for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour. These are the means to introduce Norton on your windows OS. In spite of the fact that the technique is simple and you can do it without the help of Norton help number yet on the off chance that you are as yet confronting issues in introducing Norton Desktop on windows, at that point you may contact Norton support phone number.
The chiefs present on Norton helpline number are experts and are consistently prepared to help. The Norton email customer service is all day, every day accessible for the customers to serve them in the most effective manner.
You can either contact Norton by phone or you can profit the advantage of Norton chat support service.
With the help of this Norton live help, you’ll trade messages with an online specialist who is sitting just to offer overpowering Norton support email service to the customers.
Along these lines, you can introduce your Norton Desktop on MAC OS X.
The engineering of the MAC OS X working framework is entirely unexpected from the Windows working framework.
The installation procedure of Norton Desktop is additionally unique in both the frameworks. On the off chance that you face any issue in introducing Norton Desktop on MAC OS X, at that point you can call on the Norton technical support phone number.
The masters accessible on the Norton contact number are master in work and are consistently prepared to help you with these inquiries.
So contact Norton email support phone number to interface with Norton help work area.
On the off chance that you can’t associate with the Norton contact number, at that point other than calling on the Norton technical support number you can give calling a shot the toll free number accessible on this website.
This toll free number later gets you the help of autonomous outsider Norton email arrangement service.
We recommend you to generously experience the terms and strategies before calling on the outsider Norton support email service through our toll free number.Norton mail phone number
Norton Email Setup >> Procedure to create and log in an Norton email
Through this segment, we will direct you to make and sign in to an Norton mail account. On the off chance that you are searching for the procedure to sign in and make an Norton mail, at that point this segment of the article documentation will direct you.
Norton mail help chiefs offer the procedure rules to sign in to an Norton email. In the event that the clients need to sign into the Norton email, at that point they have to play out the procedure given beneath.
In the event that the clients face any sort of issue while playing out the procedure, at that point they can call Norton customer support phone number.
Norton mail customer service specialists will help them to determine their issues in a split second.
Some of the antivirus customer care will provide you the guidance over online premium email service 1800 1 800 tollfree. contact total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number. call Internet security customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk on toll-free USA CANADA to chat with live person for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour time the clients Norton to login to their Norton email account however they neglected to sign in because of some technical mistake, all things considered, the client searches for Norton helpline number to profit the advantage of overpowering customer service.
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Anti-virus and spyware protection are essential for your computer to run smoothly. Unfortunately, most people do not know what they are doing when it comes to their computers. Most people do not bother to update the virus definitions on their computers as well as regularly install and uninstall their computer programs. Many people use freeware and shareware programs without updating the software and end up making themselves vulnerable to computer infections.
The main reason why Norton has been able to gain so much popularity is because of the high quality of their products. Most people think that because Norton is one of the leading anti-spyware programs available, then it will also be one of the top rated anti-virus programs. This is not necessarily true. You can get an excellent anti-virus program from many different companies, but it would always be better if you can try one out before you buy it.
Norton has developed a user friendly interface which makes it easy to find and remove viruses. If you download and use Norton, you should make sure that you always update the virus definition on your PC. In addition to that, Norton also comes with a system backup facility so that if something happens to your PC, you will still be able to restore the file.
The best feature of Norton Anti-Virus is its parental control feature. This feature can be very useful in case you have children around the house. This feature allows you to block the websites which contain inappropriate content or harmful downloads. You can even set the time limit for when the sites have to be blocked. and Norton also has a virus and spyware removal tool that can be used on your infected PC.
You can download the latest version of Norton free from the official website of Norton. You can also subscribe to their RSS feed, which will help you stay up-to-date with the latest news and alerts about updates on Norton.
Apart from anti-viruses, Norton also has some other tools such as malware scanner, adware remover, browser cleaner and firewall protection which you can download to your PC. Even if you only want to scan for the most common types of malicious software, Norton has most of these tools included in their free version.
Norton works with a variety of security suites including Kaspersky, AVG, Norton, and Windows Defender. You should always ensure that you update all your security settings in order to keep your computer safe from possible infections.
Norton also has a free scanner application which you can use to scan your PC and download any needed updates. The registry editor of Norton allows you to easily edit the settings and options within your registry, which you need in order to keep your computer running smoothly.
Norton also offers support in many languages such as Russian, Spanish, Chinese, and Dutch. If you are using English as your primary language, you can choose the English-US language pack which will allow you to access more options and features of Norton in English.
Norton is not only free; you can also buy the Professional version of the antivirus. which offers complete support and functionality. It also comes with unlimited space for saving your data. which makes it ideal for those who wish to have several anti-virus programs running at once.
Norton is available on various download portals and websites which offer a wide range of products. However, if you want the full version of the software, you should go directly to the official website.
contact Norton Antivirus customer care total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number on 1800 1 800 tollfree. call Anti-virus customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk for USA CANADA to chat with live person online premium email for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour. These are the means to introduce Norton on your windows OS. In spite of the fact that the technique is simple and you can do it without the help of Norton help number yet on the off chance that you are as yet confronting issues in introducing Norton Desktop on windows, at that point you may contact Norton support phone number.
The chiefs present on Norton helpline number are experts and are consistently prepared to help. The Norton email customer service is all day, every day accessible for the customers to serve them in the most effective manner.
You can either contact Norton by phone or you can profit the advantage of Norton chat support service.
With the help of this Norton live help, you’ll trade messages with an online specialist who is sitting just to offer overpowering Norton support email service to the customers.
Along these lines, you can introduce your Norton Desktop on MAC OS X.
The engineering of the MAC OS X working framework is entirely unexpected from the Windows working framework.
The installation procedure of Norton Desktop is additionally unique in both the frameworks. On the off chance that you face any issue in introducing Norton Desktop on MAC OS X, at that point you can call on the Norton technical support phone number.
The masters accessible on the Norton contact number are master in work and are consistently prepared to help you with these inquiries.
So contact Norton email support phone number to interface with Norton help work area.
On the off chance that you can’t associate with the Norton contact number, at that point other than calling on the Norton technical support number you can give calling a shot the toll free number accessible on this website.
This toll free number later gets you the help of autonomous outsider Norton email arrangement service.
We recommend you to generously experience the terms and strategies before calling on the outsider Norton support email service through our toll free number.Norton mail phone number
Norton Email Setup >> Procedure to create and log in an Norton email
Through this segment, we will direct you to make and sign in to an Norton mail account. On the off chance that you are searching for the procedure to sign in and make an Norton mail, at that point this segment of the article documentation will direct you.
Norton mail help chiefs offer the procedure rules to sign in to an Norton email. In the event that the clients need to sign into the Norton email, at that point they have to play out the procedure given beneath.
In the event that the clients face any sort of issue while playing out the procedure, at that point they can call Norton customer support phone number.
Norton mail customer service specialists will help them to determine their issues in a split second.
Some of the antivirus customer care will provide you the guidance over online premium email service 1800 1 800 tollfree. contact total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number. call Internet security customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk on toll-free USA CANADA to chat with live person for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour time the clients Norton to login to their Norton email account however they neglected to sign in because of some technical mistake, all things considered, the client searches for Norton helpline number to profit the advantage of overpowering customer service.
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Anti-virus and spyware protection are essential for your computer to run smoothly. Unfortunately, most people do not know what they are doing when it comes to their computers. Most people do not bother to update the virus definitions on their computers as well as regularly install and uninstall their computer programs. Many people use freeware and shareware programs without updating the software and end up making themselves vulnerable to computer infections.
The main reason why Norton has been able to gain so much popularity is because of the high quality of their products. Most people think that because Norton is one of the leading anti-spyware programs available, then it will also be one of the top rated anti-virus programs. This is not necessarily true. You can get an excellent anti-virus program from many different companies, but it would always be better if you can try one out before you buy it.
Norton has developed a user friendly interface which makes it easy to find and remove viruses. If you download and use Norton, you should make sure that you always update the virus definition on your PC. In addition to that, Norton also comes with a system backup facility so that if something happens to your PC, you will still be able to restore the file.
The best feature of Norton Anti-Virus is its parental control feature. This feature can be very useful in case you have children around the house. This feature allows you to block the websites which contain inappropriate content or harmful downloads. You can even set the time limit for when the sites have to be blocked. and Norton also has a virus and spyware removal tool that can be used on your infected PC.
You can download the latest version of Norton free from the official website of Norton. You can also subscribe to their RSS feed, which will help you stay up-to-date with the latest news and alerts about updates on Norton.
Apart from anti-viruses, Norton also has some other tools such as malware scanner, adware remover, browser cleaner and firewall protection which you can download to your PC. Even if you only want to scan for the most common types of malicious software, Norton has most of these tools included in their free version.
Norton works with a variety of security suites including Kaspersky, AVG, Norton, and Windows Defender. You should always ensure that you update all your security settings in order to keep your computer safe from possible infections.
Norton also has a free scanner application which you can use to scan your PC and download any needed updates. The registry editor of Norton allows you to easily edit the settings and options within your registry, which you need in order to keep your computer running smoothly.
Norton also offers support in many languages such as Russian, Spanish, Chinese, and Dutch. If you are using English as your primary language, you can choose the English-US language pack which will allow you to access more options and features of Norton in English.
Norton is not only free; you can also buy the Professional version of the antivirus. which offers complete support and functionality. It also comes with unlimited space for saving your data. which makes it ideal for those who wish to have several anti-virus programs running at once.
Norton is available on various download portals and websites which offer a wide range of products. However, if you want the full version of the software, you should go directly to the official website.
contact Norton Antivirus customer care total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number on 1800 1 800 tollfree. call Anti-virus customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk for USA CANADA to chat with live person online premium email for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour. These are the means to introduce Norton on your windows OS. In spite of the fact that the technique is simple and you can do it without the help of Norton help number yet on the off chance that you are as yet confronting issues in introducing Norton Desktop on windows, at that point you may contact Norton support phone number.
The chiefs present on Norton helpline number are experts and are consistently prepared to help. The Norton email customer service is all day, every day accessible for the customers to serve them in the most effective manner.
You can either contact Norton by phone or you can profit the advantage of Norton chat support service.
With the help of this Norton live help, you’ll trade messages with an online specialist who is sitting just to offer overpowering Norton support email service to the customers.
Along these lines, you can introduce your Norton Desktop on MAC OS X.
The engineering of the MAC OS X working framework is entirely unexpected from the Windows working framework.
The installation procedure of Norton Desktop is additionally unique in both the frameworks. On the off chance that you face any issue in introducing Norton Desktop on MAC OS X, at that point you can call on the Norton technical support phone number.
The masters accessible on the Norton contact number are master in work and are consistently prepared to help you with these inquiries.
So contact Norton email support phone number to interface with Norton help work area.
On the off chance that you can’t associate with the Norton contact number, at that point other than calling on the Norton technical support number you can give calling a shot the toll free number accessible on this website.
This toll free number later gets you the help of autonomous outsider Norton email arrangement service.
We recommend you to generously experience the terms and strategies before calling on the outsider Norton support email service through our toll free number.Norton mail phone number
Norton Email Setup >> Procedure to create and log in an Norton email
Through this segment, we will direct you to make and sign in to an Norton mail account. On the off chance that you are searching for the procedure to sign in and make an Norton mail, at that point this segment of the article documentation will direct you.
Norton mail help chiefs offer the procedure rules to sign in to an Norton email. In the event that the clients need to sign into the Norton email, at that point they have to play out the procedure given beneath.
In the event that the clients face any sort of issue while playing out the procedure, at that point they can call Norton customer support phone number.
Norton mail customer service specialists will help them to determine their issues in a split second.
Some of the antivirus customer care will provide you the guidance over online premium email service 1800 1 800 tollfree. contact total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number. call Internet security customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk on toll-free USA CANADA to chat with live person for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour time the clients Norton to login to their Norton email account however they neglected to sign in because of some technical mistake, all things considered, the client searches for Norton helpline number to profit the advantage of overpowering customer service.
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Anti-virus and spyware protection are essential for your computer to run smoothly. Unfortunately, most people do not know what they are doing when it comes to their computers. Most people do not bother to update the virus definitions on their computers as well as regularly install and uninstall their computer programs. Many people use freeware and shareware programs without updating the software and end up making themselves vulnerable to computer infections.
The main reason why Norton has been able to gain so much popularity is because of the high quality of their products. Most people think that because Norton is one of the leading anti-spyware programs available, then it will also be one of the top rated anti-virus programs. This is not necessarily true. You can get an excellent anti-virus program from many different companies, but it would always be better if you can try one out before you buy it.
Norton has developed a user friendly interface which makes it easy to find and remove viruses. If you download and use Norton, you should make sure that you always update the virus definition on your PC. In addition to that, Norton also comes with a system backup facility so that if something happens to your PC, you will still be able to restore the file.
The best feature of Norton Anti-Virus is its parental control feature. This feature can be very useful in case you have children around the house. This feature allows you to block the websites which contain inappropriate content or harmful downloads. You can even set the time limit for when the sites have to be blocked. and Norton also has a virus and spyware removal tool that can be used on your infected PC.
You can download the latest version of Norton free from the official website of Norton. You can also subscribe to their RSS feed, which will help you stay up-to-date with the latest news and alerts about updates on Norton.
Apart from anti-viruses, Norton also has some other tools such as malware scanner, adware remover, browser cleaner and firewall protection which you can download to your PC. Even if you only want to scan for the most common types of malicious software, Norton has most of these tools included in their free version.
Norton works with a variety of security suites including Kaspersky, AVG, Norton, and Windows Defender. You should always ensure that you update all your security settings in order to keep your computer safe from possible infections.
Norton also has a free scanner application which you can use to scan your PC and download any needed updates. The registry editor of Norton allows you to easily edit the settings and options within your registry, which you need in order to keep your computer running smoothly.
Norton also offers support in many languages such as Russian, Spanish, Chinese, and Dutch. If you are using English as your primary language, you can choose the English-US language pack which will allow you to access more options and features of Norton in English.
Norton is not only free; you can also buy the Professional version of the antivirus. which offers complete support and functionality. It also comes with unlimited space for saving your data. which makes it ideal for those who wish to have several anti-virus programs running at once.
Norton is available on various download portals and websites which offer a wide range of products. However, if you want the full version of the software, you should go directly to the official website.
contact Norton Antivirus customer care total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number on 1800 1 800 tollfree. call Anti-virus customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk for USA CANADA to chat with live person online premium email for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour. These are the means to introduce Norton on your windows OS. In spite of the fact that the technique is simple and you can do it without the help of Norton help number yet on the off chance that you are as yet confronting issues in introducing Norton Desktop on windows, at that point you may contact Norton support phone number.
The chiefs present on Norton helpline number are experts and are consistently prepared to help. The Norton email customer service is all day, every day accessible for the customers to serve them in the most effective manner.
You can either contact Norton by phone or you can profit the advantage of Norton chat support service.
With the help of this Norton live help, you’ll trade messages with an online specialist who is sitting just to offer overpowering Norton support email service to the customers.
Along these lines, you can introduce your Norton Desktop on MAC OS X.
The engineering of the MAC OS X working framework is entirely unexpected from the Windows working framework.
The installation procedure of Norton Desktop is additionally unique in both the frameworks. On the off chance that you face any issue in introducing Norton Desktop on MAC OS X, at that point you can call on the Norton technical support phone number.
The masters accessible on the Norton contact number are master in work and are consistently prepared to help you with these inquiries.
So contact Norton email support phone number to interface with Norton help work area.
On the off chance that you can’t associate with the Norton contact number, at that point other than calling on the Norton technical support number you can give calling a shot the toll free number accessible on this website.
This toll free number later gets you the help of autonomous outsider Norton email arrangement service.
We recommend you to generously experience the terms and strategies before calling on the outsider Norton support email service through our toll free number.Norton mail phone number
Norton Email Setup >> Procedure to create and log in an Norton email
Through this segment, we will direct you to make and sign in to an Norton mail account. On the off chance that you are searching for the procedure to sign in and make an Norton mail, at that point this segment of the article documentation will direct you.
Norton mail help chiefs offer the procedure rules to sign in to an Norton email. In the event that the clients need to sign into the Norton email, at that point they have to play out the procedure given beneath.
In the event that the clients face any sort of issue while playing out the procedure, at that point they can call Norton customer support phone number.
Norton mail customer service specialists will help them to determine their issues in a split second.
Some of the antivirus customer care will provide you the guidance over online premium email service 1805-398-9933 tollfree. contact total Internet security plus endpoint tech support phone number. call Internet security customer service telephone help center helpline desk technical HelpDesk on toll-free USA CANADA to chat with live person for Refund billing and cancel my utilities clean up subscription or forgot password recovery reset account 24×7 hour time the clients Norton to login to their Norton email account however they neglected to sign in because of some technical mistake, all things considered, the client searches for Norton helpline number to profit the advantage of overpowering customer service.
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